P. Belt

Posted by: Bob McC on 20 July 2002

Seen in an online audio mag....


X" Coordinate Pen

as reviewed by Carol Clark



LOUDSPEAKERS
ReimerSpeaker Systems Tetons.

ELECTRONICS
Clayton Audio M70 monoblock amplifiers. Taddeo Digital Antidote Two and the SCE HRS unit. E.A.R. 834P phono stage. Blue Circle BC3000 preamp w/Tunsgram tubes, and BCG3.1 power supply.

SOURCES
EAD T1000 transport and EVS Millenium II DAC with Audient Technologies’ Tactic and Audi, JPS digital cable. Linn Axiss turntable with K9 cartridge and Basik Plus arm.

CABLES
JPS Superconductor+ interconnects, digital, and NC speaker cables. Nordost MoonGlo digital cable. Sahuaro Slipstream, Blue Circle BC63, Clayton Audio, and JPS Kaptovator AC cables.

ACCESSORIES
Dedicated 20 and 15 amp ac circuits. EchoBuster room treatments. BDR cones and board, DH cones, Vibrapods, Mondo racks and stands, various hard woods, etc.



In Issue 10 of audioMUSINGS (the print version), I presented my findings on one of the theories of Peter W. Belt, in the area of cryogenics. In a future issue I will be revisiting that theory, as I have been provided with additional information. In this issue I will deal with Belt’s "X" Coordinate Pen. I don’t feel qualified to address the theories behind the operation of the pen, so I will simply describe the experiments I conducted and the results. If you would like information on Belt’s theories, visit his homepage at www.belt.demon.co.uk.
My original experiments piqued my curiosity about the pen. I attempted to find one locally, but was unsuccessful, and was provided with one by Belt. The pen is an ordinary red overhead projector pen manufactured by Staedtler under the name Lumocolor. I had several of these pens in my desk at school, but the ones I had contained non-permanent ink, and you need permanent ink. Also, getting the pen directly from Belt is beneficial because it has undergone treatment, and he provides a correction pen so that before-and-after experiments can be conducted. The pen also comes with a special sheet of film, and this film is essential.

As I said, I cannot discuss the scientific theory behind the pen, but here is a quote from the literature provided with it: "The P.W.B. ‘X’ Coordinate Pen has been induced with complex messages and when a human writes a message with the pen, the conditions on the object change in a similar way to the events in the ‘double slit’ experiment, in which the essential ingredient is the pure energy form of the photons and electrons which readily interact with the human observer." Whew! Dave tells me that this sounds like quantum mechanics, so, in an effort to expand my horizons I went to Barnes and Noble and purchased a book called The Quantum World, by J.C. Polkinghorne. It purports to elucidate quantum mechanics for the general reader, and when my schedule allows I will read it, and then will hopefully be able to understand why this pen works.

Yes, dear reader, the pen works, and works brilliantly! Let me describe what I did, what I heard, and more importantly, what an unsuspecting outside party heard when I performed my experiments. As with any such phenomenon, hearing for yourself is believing. Do not discount what you are about to read unless you are ready to try it yourself. According to the literature I received, the simplest way to prove the efficacy of the pen is to sign your name on the outside cover of a compact disc. You use your normal signature, and write it like this: Carol Clark > o.k. You need to include the "o.k." to transfer beneficial thought patterns from yourself to the written message. I scoured my CD collection, and found a CD I have two copies of, the La Femme Nikita soundtrack. Prior to altering either of them, I listened to both to determine if they sounded the same, and they did. I set one aside, and wrote my signature followed by "> o.k." on the case of the second one. You can also sign the label side of the CD, and this will work with an LP as well, either by signing the jacket or the label.

I chose a track from that CD that I am very familiar with, the song called "Gun" by the band GusGus. (Incidentally, this soundtrack is from the television series, not the French movie.) When I listened to both copies of the CD again, the results were so startling that I wrote detailed notes. Vocals on the unsigned copy were hard and plastic sounding, and the high notes were razor sharp. I found myself totally distracted, wishing for the song to end. The treated CD, on the other hand, provided beautiful, mellow-sounding vocals. The high notes throughout were subdued, which enabled me to concentrate on the music. I found the experience enjoyable. As in my earlier Peter Belt experiments, I assumed I was subject to the power of suggestion. I was afraid that I had set myself up to hear what I heard, and that I wanted to hear the treated CD in a positive light. This is where I called on my unwitting accomplice, Dave. I used the eraser pen that was provided and erased my signature from the case, thus letting him hear both untreated copies of the CD so he could satisfy himself that they indeed sounded the same. I chose a different song, "Hanging On a Curtain" by Morphine, since it is a song he is more familiar with. I gave him the red pen and asked him to sign his name, then whisked both CDs away, out of his sight. We then talked for a few minutes, so that his mind would turn away from the CDs. I played the treated CD first, and when it was done he indicated that it sounded very good. The untreated CD went in next, and he almost immediately told me that it sounded worse.

You may now take a moment to roll your eyes and say this is all a bunch of hogwash. Go ahead, get it out of your system. Many of you will think I’ve flipped my lid. I agree that Belt’s claims for this product sound completely ludicrous. All I can say is, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. Trust me when I say the result is sweeter, less discordant music.

Now let’s proceed, presuming that you will keep an open mind.

Supplied with the pen was a special sheet of self-adhesive film. Remember, keep your mind open as you read this statement, taken from Belt’s report: "When the ‘X’ Pen writes on this material, a subliminal message readily understood by any human within its vicinity is formed on the material. If the written message is attached to the outer surface of an object such as a loudspeaker cabinet or the outer case of any electronic or audio equipment, a significant change to the perceived sound within the listening room will occur." I cut the film into strips and, according to the directions, wrote the brand name of my loudspeakers on two strips followed by "> o.k.," then took two more strips of film and wrote the name of the speakers followed by "> no." I then chose a recording I listen to quite a bit, "Release," by Afro Celt Sound System. I listened to the song once as a reference. Next, I placed the "o.k." labels on the speaker cabinets and listened to the song again. Marked improvements were noted. Everything sounded sweeter and kinder on the ear. The experience was superb, and highly relaxing. I then removed the "o.k." labels and replaced them with the "no" labels. Immediately after the song started I began to feel agitated, and literally cringed at how bad it sounded. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly what sounded bad, but I could not wait for the song to end, and took off the CD before it was over.

As with the signature experiment, I was afraid I was not judging correctly, so once again I called upon Dave to help. I had not shared any of the literature with him, so all he knew was that I was still experimenting with the red pen. He had not seen the film, so he had no idea what was in store. I asked him to select a CD track he was familiar with, and he chose Lambchop’s song "Interrupted." We played it once without any labels on the speakers, and he reported that it sounded good. While he sat on the couch with his eyes closed, I placed the "o.k." labels on the speakers and started the song again. When it was over, he reported that it sounded better. He was not able to pinpoint exactly what was better, just that the listening experience was more enjoyable. With his eyes still closed, I switched the labels. I started the CD again, and almost immediately he opened his eyes and said "Turn it off!," that it sounded so bad he couldn’t listen to it. His response was sudden and definite, and very similar to my own.

Afterwards, when I explained what I had done, he couldn’t wait to make "o.k." labels for every component we own. So, we now have my pictures housed in the freezer, and pieces of the special film bearing the names of our components and "> o.k." attached to every piece of equipment we own. Crazy? As I stated in my previous article, these treatments cost nothing, or next to nothing, and they improve the listening experience substantially.


WHAT UTTER BOLLOCKS!!
Posted on: 20 July 2002 by Not For Me
Mad as a lorry!

DS

ITC Jah Wobble - Solaris
Posted on: 21 July 2002 by JohanR
Or something like that.

What amazes me is that this man goes on and on "inventing" stuff like that AND that some people goes on believing him. Uri Geller has something to learn here.

JohanR
Posted on: 21 July 2002 by graphoman
I think I have the right for my twopence since I have offered some 3 or 4 years of my life to experimenting on PWB. I have made many a thousands of experiments, with many a hundreds of participants (readers of our Hifi Magazin, plus outsiders, musicians).

When I realized the PWB effect (or call you the way you want) did exist I had great expectations on it. I told my co-editor (a very good engineer indeed, who was frightened by the mystical ideas): “Why worry about that? Either it does exist and we can make advantage of it. Or it does not exist then it makes no harm!” My friend told me: “There is a third way. It does exist and it’s harmful!”

And he was right. The PWB phenomena does exist and it does reduce distortion – by reducing your hearing/living sensitivity. It must have something to do with the human aura (if such thing does exist at all – what I strongly believe), but coming to term with the phenomena I would be frightened and ceased any experiments with PWB.

Of course, you have the right to form your own opinion on PWB (and me). However, my advice is that before you start laughing you try a simple experiment that does not cost anything. This experiment is my finding, via PWB’s thinking.

All you need is a metal (iron, brass etc.) band around your wrist. Your watch with a metal band is perfect for this goal. You try to listen to music with the band on/off.

If you think there is a difference, you can go a step further. Standing behind an other listening person, you put the band on/off, watching if he realizes the effect of this blind test.

If you think, again, the trick does work, next time you go to a concert or to the opera you may try it on live music. By the way, wearing a glass is just as good (=bad).

And if you have tried it, THEN you have the right to laugh.

graphoman
Posted on: 21 July 2002 by garyi
Graphoman.

Its not that fact that Mr Belt says what he says and does what he does.

No what is most concerning about this is that someone somewhere is listening and believing.

This is most worrying because its nothing sort of a new religion, a faith if you will "the belief in something you cannot see"

This is what is most scary, not Mr Belt or his ideas, but that humans need so badly to believe something that they believe this.
Posted on: 21 July 2002 by Mark Dunn
Hi all:

Assuming (there's that word again) that graphoman is being serious in his post above, then I applaude him for taking the time to put preconceptions aside and actually try it.

Personally, I haven't tried it but not because I think PB is a complete loon, - which he might be. I just haven't had the inclination.

I believe it's important to at least try off the wall ideas as you never know what we don't yet know,- if you see what I mean. In today's world there seems to be a tendency for scientists to dismiss ideas/hypotheses/theories because they don't fit with what we already 'know'. In some cases there is enough evidence where this is reasonable but many times it is not. My training was in Pure & Applied Physics and at that time (around 1980) Universities, seemed to be saying "if you're not sure, experiment". Surely this is more reasonable than simply having a closed mind?

Best Regards,
Mark Dunn
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by Brucie
P'raps you don't need to sign all your cd cases. Just have a blank one with said signature, fully OKed up. Choose a disc, stick it in the signed jewel case, leave it to "bake" for 5 mins and hey presto, its all ready to go.

But seriously, if this guy's system sounded so awful without the signature, why didn't he change it? Is he saying there was no musical enjoyment before the PWB discovery? (though I'm not surprised if he's listening to Nikita).

I'm a university lecturer and I have access to hundreds of those permanent pens in all sorts of colours too. I wonder if green works better than red?

b
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by Duncan Fullerton
I think that's the word you're after. Mind you, predisposed to hear a difference or not, I've heard some equally proposterous things muttered on this forum. Why just the other day, someone was saying that even a humble mains lead can make a difference ... Where do all these loonies come from?
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by i am simon 2
I have just read some of the pages of the PWB web site.

I am not one to mock crazy ideas, and I have no doubt that to somoene un-hingend enough to experiment with the effects of writting messages on CDs, there may well be a percieved improvment in sound.

Someone who is most certainly not mad is someone who can sell to other people, a pen for writting such messages, or foil on wich to write things to stick to hifi components etc. no this person is a genius.

Has P Belt looked at the Bagpi phenomonam?


Simon
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by garyi
The thing is this.

Someone could say that they had jumped off a building yesterday and flew like a bird un aided.

What some here are saying is that I should not judge him to be a loone until such time as I have seen him jump that building.

Well, there is something in the way of this, logic.

My mind tells me that no man can jump off a building, any more than some woman can conceive a child on her own, I just can't get my head around it.

Just because I have not heard what difference writing love messages onto your cds does, does not mean that I have to suspend logic until I have heard it.

Sorry, its crap, it can't works, it dosn't work its crap.

Oh and yes Belt is clearly a genius, if he wasn't in this work surely he would be the leader of one of those America cults where every one has to have sex with him.

snigger.
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by garyi
So, if I speak nicely to a Celin Deon CD are was suggesting that it will then sound good?

Supposing that writing on the surface of a CD will in some way effect it, how would one account for the fact that every one of my CDs has different print and different levels of print.

Surely for old Belty boys pen to work one would need to start with perfectly blank CDs where there is normally ink, (supposing we are looking at your idea that writing on the CD will change it.) I mean obviously I would try it but Mr belts pens has incantations put into it so I couldn't possibly use a normal pen.

Also if this twat is telling us that elctrons or what ever can read, what if you have a CD that says shit on it, or 'this cd contains explicit material', or what if the CD says through its own print, under licence to Sony, how would the fricking electrons deal with that?

Sorry but its smelling really off to me.

Bearing in mind I am still reeling from that bit of plastic you put on CDs which is supposed to do something due to the way its been cut (jesus) and even more so from the fantastical Nordost antistatic water stuff for ones leads. Brillient this costs 60 quid for a bottle. True enough the product does have merit, however I can purchase 5 litre tubs of it for £5.50 and is actually used to cut down electrostatic on carpets, and no it don't work on that either.

Belt is looking for suckers, thing is they are out there.
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by Bob McC
Garyi
I like Celine Dion!
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by graphoman
you said:
“had a go with and without wearing stainless steel watch - the music sounded the same.”

Well, then you have the right to your opinion.

Liquidken said:
“Oh dear... What next? Studio musicians with stickers on their foreheads wandering around recording every noise they create?”

You’ll be pleased to know that once I happened to make an experiment with the Franz Liszt Chamber Orchestra on a rehearsal where they made the favour for me playing with a brass band around the wrist on/off. The score was 12 of the 16 members stated they did feel the difference. That’s exactly the 75% what I genertally scored on more than 1000 (thousand) participants during my PWB-type experiments. It does not include the further 10%, mostly technicians, whose faces showed me no doubt they felt the difference but they did not want to confess it.

graphoman
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by graphoman
you said: “Someone could say that they had jumped off a building yesterday and flew like a bird un aided. etc.”

It’s important to know that according to everyday physic it makes absolutely no difference putting a turntable on a light coffee table or on a 1000-tonn marble monument.

You may remember the italian doctor Galvani who made experiments with frogs and was called “dancing-master of frogs”.

Further you may remember good old Galileo Galilei who (when discovering the spots on the sun) was told by a professor that “I’ve read twice through Aristoteles and no trace of sun spots. There are no such things.”

And you may remember: Galilei was the man who instead of speculating, throw the stones from above to realize how they fall.

graphoman
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by throbnorth
...But I don't necessarily think he's looking for suckers - whatever you may think of his demented ideas, they do have the merit of being extremely cheap!!! He's been around for ages, has had positive but hands in the air reviews from all kinds of audiophile magaines, past and present, but then, the does that say more about the magazines than it does about him?

This forum comes up with things that are well within the same sphere of daftness [stand-turning, anyone?] and also defy any form of scientific logic - indeed, again and again contributors urge us to use the evidence of our ears above all else ...... Maybe this is the answer - sonic perfection's final nth comes from within our own heads, and if it works for whatever reason, why should we decry it?

My best tweak was having my ears syringed [try this simple test - rub your thumb and first finger next to each ear in turn - if there is any difference in timbre or quality, then a visit to the doctor rather than to Mr Belt may give you an 'amazing new discovery' which is cheaper than any mains block or level of Mana]

If you check my profile, you will see what sort of demented system I have.... a subwoofer for God's sake - and my speakers are on an MDF shelf.... and I have a minidisc!! I mention this just to establish my credentials as a distinctly un-tweaky kind of a guy. BTW, I haven't yet got round to marking the edges of a minidisc with Mr B's pen, as he suggests. But if I do, it won't cost me much!

Throb
Posted on: 22 July 2002 by garyi
No Throb, you will have spent fifty quid on a pen which has spells incanted on it.

In my book this is an utter rip off, and I for one will not be trying it, I rekon three well recorded CDs will give me better pleasure than hoping I hear a difference after speaking to my cds, what ever next.
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by i am simon 2
Is anyone in the vacinity of the Naim factory in Salsbury or wherever its?

Perhaps Paul Stephenson could do it as he is probably there most days...


What I am proposing is that somone buys one of these pens, and in big letters (so it works on a large scale)writes ehatever it is you are supposed to write with the "X - Pen" on the side of the naim factory.

This will then make all the New Naim gear sound even better.

Then, if this works (which I have every faith in) the sae should be done to the fatorys where CDs are pressed, and perhaps alo all powerstations that provie us with electricity.

Think of the possible improvments that could be gained, for nex to no cost.

Just an idea, please do not knock it until it has been tried, I am very serious, it could work


Simon

PS if you read this Paul, I would love to hear your opinion on this method of getting the most from hifi.
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by Noel
PWB have been producing 'unusual products' for some time. I've tried lots of his stuff, attaching little squares to things, putting things under three of the four feet of equipment, brushing PWB fluids on TV screens/lightbulbs etc (using a PWB brush of course!). I can't tell any difference.
In the early 80's I couldn't see how a cable can make a difference to sound by its direction. I tried it, it does. Lots of things which I wouldn't expect to make a difference do actually change what I can hear. However unlikely things may be, if it doesn't cost too much or take too much effort, I think why not? I'm open minded enough to accept that there may be something in PWBs products, but so far I've not been able to tell any change due to his products. It may be my hearing isn't good enough! However, unless I could try them for free I wouldn't try anymore PWB.
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by throbnorth
Don't worry, garyi - I'm not about to spend £50 on a pen, I just think that whatever else Mr Belt may be, he's not knowingly fraudulent, and that the comparative economy of his daftnesses is rather endearing.

It's a cottage industry,- intustry is probably overstating it in that his customers probably number dozens or hundreds rather than thousands, and whatever 'treatments' his stuff is given,[Perhaps he inserts them rectally while his wife makes mystic passes over his bottom with a Fray Bentos pie?] I think that they happen and presumably take some time which I wouldn't begrudge him charging for. Cost of manufacture and cost of purchase don't necessarily equate in a lot of areas of the industry, and like those Mana gents, Mr Belt has to pay for his R&D somehow!

Frivolously, he reminds me a bit of that man who used to patrol Oxford Circus from the 50's until his death in the 80's trying to persuade people that the evils of the world were down to protein and ..erm, 'too much sitting'. I have the feeling that there's a wonderful back story somewhere and the makings of a lovely little documentary.

More seriously, I think that homeopathy provides quite an apposite analogy - think about it - scientifically the most monstrous load of bollocks imaginable, seemingly giving good results for some [though not all] people - even animals and children, - which rather rules out the 'belief' bit, as homeopaths gleefully point out. The concept of paying good money for little bottles of pure water in which any active ingredient has been diluted to such an extent that it is undetectable by an electron microscope is rather odd, yet millions of otherwise sane people seem quite happy to do so.

I couldn't bring myself to buy a homeopathic remedy for the same reason that I wouldn't buy a Belt pen, but there is a certain fascination in the entire subject.
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by JeremyD
Some Belt type treatments seem to me to be an unintentional form of sleight of hand.

For example, in cases where tightening or loosening screws affected the sound of a system, it would be a surprise if aligning screw heads had no effect.

Similarly, if you want to investigate the effect of painting your fuse ends with a £50 Staedtler that has been blessed by Buffy the Vampire Slayer - or whoever - it's best to eliminate the effects of either cleaning through making and breaking connections or painting your fuse ends with a 50p Staedtler.

Of course there could be more to it...

JD
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by Mark Dunn
Nick:

Whatever happened to Paul Benson? He was my guiding light at 'Hi-Fi Answers' when I was a pubescent hi-fi buff.

Best Regards,
Mark Dunn (now post-pubescent, I think))
Posted on: 24 July 2002 by Lo Fi Si
"that a midi system properly "Belted" would out-perform a proper Hi-Fi system that hadn't"
P Belt is really Mr Pig in disguise big grin