Glastonbury

Did I dream it, or is Buddy Guy due to appear with Joan Armour Plating?

Steve

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Originally posted by Steve S1:
Did I dream it, or is Buddy Guy due to appear with Joan Armour Plating?

Steve

Both are on BBC4 (TV) tonight.
Buddy Guy 10.30 -11.30
Joan Armatrading 12.30-1.30
Don't know if they are guesting with each other.

Will also look out for the Duffy performance, featured in the BBC3 7pm programme.

Last night's performances were so dull it was unbeliveable. KT Tunstall was the only set that had any life.

Only reason I wish I were there would be to cut off the 'ing 80's retro flick hairstyles from bands like 'The Feeling' and explain we don't need a return to the awful decade of music and 'style'. The 'Don Johnson' cheap and nasty jackets were also making an unwelcome re-appearance.

A friend commented that there are an awful lot of 'The ....' bands appearing at the moment.

It is almost a decade since I saw such great Glastonbury performances as R.E.M.'s first appearance, or rushed from Underworld on the Main stage, to see Orbital headline the Jazz/World stage. That was worth spending several days in a tent for, this year's lineup hardly inspires me to pick up the remote to channel flick to it in add breaks in the cricket.

Good stuff Jamie, I've set the planner for Duffy, Ms Winehouse, Buddy Guy and Joan.

Looks a much better line-up than I'd feared.

Steve

All I ever needed to know about Glastonbury was captured on that one album.

Dark Star - Grateful Dead
Love Song - Brinsley Schwarz
Blanket in My Muesli - Mighty Baby
Sunken Rags - Marc Bolan
Classified - Pete Townshend
Supermen - David Bowie
Silver Machine and Welcome - Hawkwind
Sun Music - Skin Alley
Glad Stoned Buried Fielding Flash and Fresh Fest Footprint in My Memory - Gong
Do It - The Pink Fairies
Uncle Henry's Last Freak-Out - The Pink Fairies
Out Demons Out - Edgar Broughton Band

By comparison, these daze it just seems dull: Will Young, Kings of Leon, Kate Nash, Jay-Z (they're having a laugh), Amy Winehouse and James Blunt; sorry just not my cup of horlicks (I am getting on a bit). However, I see The Verve, Leonard Cohen and Gilbert O'Sullivan are on tomorrow so it's not all bad

I am really surprised, but I am really enjoying Jay-Z, I do think this is a great performance, great band, tight, good visuals and Mr. Z has a strong stage presence.

The Hurricane Katrina/Bush accapella rap gave some meaning to the performance too.

I don't normally like rap, but I just think this is really good. Admittedly it does not work for me as much without seeing the performance. So much better than all the formula indie guitar bands I have seen so far.

I enjoyed what I heard of Buddy Guy and the other bits on BBC 4 too.

Tried Jay Z and turned over and watched a wonderful performance by Band of Horses

.....Have to say I enjoyed Jay Z (there I've said it) although perhaps he would best enjoyed if I was actually there bopping and tanked up with cider! ...but there again as Diccus knows I've indulged in rap off and on since being bowled over by Grandmaster Flash way back when ....I would still maintain Public Enemy remain THE essential band of the genre and that De La Soul's 3 Feet and Rising is still rap's most innovative album.

Rap has always struggled to impact on an older (and let's face it) white audience (often because the obvious use of samples irritates many) ....hence why so many punters even on a broadminded educated board like this still find it impossible to enjoy.
There is also an evident cultural gap between younger black and white audiences and I'm not really sure why this is the case.
Watch any coverage of Glastonbury and it's a sea of obviously white faces and very very few black ones despite the number of black acts present (often playing the world and jazz stages)

It appears the typical black audience member that would turn up to watch (say) a reggae act playing in London or Birmingham have no interest in watching a white indie band or a black act at Glastonbury and yet a white "indie kid" (or at least some) will go to see a black act play and I don't really know why that is.

Now all I have to do is search through my Sky + Glasto stuff and find out when the heck Buddy Guy was on!

Jay Z? Give me a break!!

To be honest the whole affair has been awful but that just topped it!

Lets hope all the positive BBC coverage of it does not reflect in next years line up!!

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Originally posted by Jet Johnson:
Rap has always struggled to impact on an older (and let's face it) white audience (often because the obvious use of samples irritates many) ....hence why so many punters even on a broadminded educated board like this still find it impossible to enjoy.
There is also an evident cultural gap between younger black and white audiences and I'm not really sure why this is the case.
Watch any coverage of Glastonbury and it's a sea of obviously white faces and very very few black ones despite the number of black acts present (often playing the world and jazz stages)

It appears the typical black audience member that would turn up to watch (say) a reggae act playing in London or Birmingham have no interest in watching a white indie band or a black act at Glastonbury and yet a white "indie kid" (or at least some) will go to see a black act play and I don't really know why that is.

I was thinking something along these lines myself, as I watched a bit of the angry Jay-Z.

This was brought across during the opening number of Oasis' Wonderwall.

Trying to get your own back by starting with the best-known song of your implacable enemy backfires when the crowd sing it with more gusto than for any of your own songs. It also demonstrates where - culturally - the majority middle class white audience is.

If headlining with Jay-Z was an attempt at encouraging greater cultural diversity amongst the Glastonbury-goers (a good thing), on all the coverage I've seen, it hasn't worked.

I really enjoyed the Elbow set.

Buddy guy set was quality. Tune into the Verve this eve.

Kings of Leon on Friday were excellent. I'd forgotten how good their last album was so today I've mostly been playing it. Must look out for the next concert apperance in these parts.

thought massive attacks ANGEL was pretty good.

thought amy wineheads "dancing" was funny as usual

Yesterday I enjoyed...

Duffy, The Wombats, Band of Horses (BBC now), Massive Attack and really surprised by Joan Armatrading playing the 'blues' (her closer 'Willow' was wonderful).

Denis

I forgot the Raconteurs, here on the BBC

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Originally posted by JWM:

quote:

Originally posted by Jet Johnson:
Rap has always struggled to impact on an older (and let's face it) white audience (often because the obvious use of samples irritates many) ....hence why so many punters even on a broadminded educated board like this still find it impossible to enjoy.
There is also an evident cultural gap between younger black and white audiences and I'm not really sure why this is the case.
Watch any coverage of Glastonbury and it's a sea of obviously white faces and very very few black ones despite the number of black acts present (often playing the world and jazz stages)

It appears the typical black audience member that would turn up to watch (say) a reggae act playing in London or Birmingham have no interest in watching a white indie band or a black act at Glastonbury and yet a white "indie kid" (or at least some) will go to see a black act play and I don't really know why that is.

I was thinking something along these lines myself, as I watched a bit of the angry Jay-Z.

This was brought across during the opening number of Oasis' Wonderwall.

Trying to get your own back by starting with the best-known song of your implacable enemy backfires when the crowd sing it with more gusto than for any of your own songs. It also demonstrates where - culturally - the majority middle class white audience is.

If headlining with Jay-Z was an attempt at encouraging greater cultural diversity amongst the Glastonbury-goers (a good thing), on all the coverage I've seen, it hasn't worked.

I really enjoyed the Elbow set.

It is difficult to gauge how well Jay Z actually did go down at Glasto ...obviously from the TV coverage we saw there were a large number of people thoroughly lapping it up .....some reports say however that the crowd had noticeably thinned out after Amy Winehouse's set. (which wasn't so obvious from the shot's we saw on tv)

The beeb's on-site reporters gave Jay Z an obvious thumbs up ....which I guess was always going to be the case given that to criticise him might well have seemed to pander to the racist undertones noted by some of the crowd who were interviewed earlier. The elephant in the room (field?) in all of this is the feeling that because rap is believed to be an inferior product to say Radiohead or even Oasis (as far as the usual white attendee to Glastonbury is concerned) then Black music per se' is less sophisicated which is of course bollocks. Bad rap music is no more representative of black music than Westlife are of white pop music.

The irony is that many of the black acts playing the jazz or world stages are far more sophisticated than their white indie counterparts but that it's the likes of mainstream acts like Jay Z (who utilises samples wholesale and rather simplistically) who are chosen to headline and it's his type of act that attracts criticism from those who are more "muso" orientated.


...I also thought Massive attack were good as was Buddy Guy and I think I liked MGMT ...but the land of nod was fast approaching as I listened to them!

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Originally posted by Jet Johnson:
[.....some reports say however that the crowd had noticeably thinned out after Amy Winehouse's set.

Hardly surprising, she was awful. Shame really as the material was great, most of her best tracks and some covers of classics from The Specials. Good music, awful performance. I feel sorry for her band who are trying hard but are having to bring all the energy to an incoherent and sorry act.

It was real car crash tv.

Mark

Pissed as a fart, great backing, great singers and dancers, huge talent. Winelake karaoke. Rubbish.

I'm a big fan of Amy Winehouse, but i have to admit she was awful. It was sad to watch actually.

ATB

KK

Neil Diamond sounds better than Jay-Z or Amy Winehouse to me, but still not that great - when's Len coming on or have I missed him.

Len, or his management if you're an acolyte, wouldn't let the BBC film his session!

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Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
Len, or his management if you're an acolyte, wouldn't let the BBC film his session!

Hi Bob - just heard that, very disappointing. Oh well, the Verve were quite good.

ATB Rotf

This evening enjoyed clips of The Verve and Spiritualised.

Mrs JWM asked me to buy tickets for Elbow at Cambridge Cornex.

James

JWM
I'm going to see Elbow at the Cornex. Yesterday there were no tickets for seats left, only standing, so it may be worth hurrying up a bit if you do want to go.
I saw John Mayer on Glastonbury last night & thought him & the band were superb. Very groovy (baby) for a white guy!
Matt.

Jay-Z,unadulterated crap,and nothing to do with race,crap is crap black or white.

151 - you enjoyed him far more than I did.

I agree it has nothing to do with race - Eddy Grant was very enjoyable and Buddy Guy was OK too. Doesn't matter to me what colour somebody is - it is whether the music shines through.