Portuguese Ronaldo

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
Graham55 sounds like he watched the match on the radio.

I don't think that your guide dog properly described the fatboy's stamp.

G

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
Not exactly what I'd call rapier-like, Graham.

Rooney was being pulled about, he placed his foot in an attempt to keep his balance ( how un-Continental ) and it coincided with a groin.

Moral: Dont pull people over when laying down.

Agreed. It was rather obvious I feel. (not that I think anything to do with a silly game of football has any significance in the great scheme of things)

What Mike said. It looked to me clearly that Rooney was just trying to regain his balance. It seems curious to me that Carvalho didn't try harder to get out of the way, if he was so worried he was going to be stamped on.

Ronaldo was the clear agent provocateur, IMHO, in the events that followed subsequently which lead to Rooney's sending off. Sure, Rooney is culpable for allowing himself to get wound up, but he was not deserving of a red card.

Yep rooney struggling to regain balance puts his foot down on the guys upper thigh and the actor on the deck grabs his balls and screams until the red card is pulled out after which he miraculously recovers. This is how a conjurer misdirects an audience and many of you have fallen fall for it.

I think the wink by Ronaldo gave the game away. As Alan Shearer said" Rooney should deck him on the training ground" .

And no-one could blame him

Trev

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Originally posted by Trev:
I think the wink by Ronaldo gave the game away. As Alan Shearer said" Rooney should deck him on the training ground" .

And no-one could blame him

Some people need to remember that it is only a game after all...

So Steve, you don't generally concur with the consensus view that Portuguese Ronaldo (as opposed to big fat Ronaldo) is responsible for 90% of ills and tragedies in the modern world - I found it strange that it is only since Portuguese Ronaldo's diabolic behaviour has North Korea resumed testing its long range nuclear strike capability (fortunately without success), surely these two events are not merely coincidence.

The good people of Portugal (one of the nicest and most friendly countries I have ever had the pleasure of visiting - wonderful people) obviously noticed the bad influence of this man and exiled him to the north west of England.

So lets not step over the despicable truth about Portuguese Ronaldo.

BTW, I'm not entirely convinced that Ricardo Alberto Silveira Carvalho didn't deliberately position himself in a way that made it look like Wayne Rooney stepped on him (after all as Wayne so eloquent put it, he was gobsmacked to be sent off) - anybody who knows English football would also know that an English player is incapable of such behaviour, in fact weren't England the only team in the world cup that didn't commit a single foul.

The fact that Wayne has forgiven Portuguese Ronaldo surely shows that Wayne is beyond reproach.

Both Rooney and Ronaldo did stupid un-sportsmanlike things.

What Rooney did was punishable under the laws - and the referee was quite right.

What Ronaldo did is technically punishable but you don't see any ref's deal with it - maybe they should, although that would mean a yellow.

Someone observed that England played better after Rooney went. Surely that's because Crouch plays that role better than Rooney (it's not his position)and Beckham had at last been replaced by someone who's frightened them with more than the odd free kick.

Well said steve.
Beckhams pre-emptive move of resigning the captaincy only happenend because he knew he was going to lose it anyway, so it was a PR face saving performance. It alas also means it may be more difficult to drop him from the team completely, as he stole the "moral" high ground with his tearful performance.
He should have gone after the 2002 world cup, imho.
matt.

It was encouraging to see better refereeing/sportpersonship in last night's Germany exit.

Pity England did not long since have better British manager/pick proper team/play proper way, but we all apart from Sven etc knew that.

Although generally underperforming/crap, England again were unbeaten. We are not scapegoating Port Ron, just rather annoyed by the silly incident (s), as Eng have players who could/should (instead of the once-effectively leading Beckham) have run the bollox off the opposition. i have shown incidents of C. Ron before/during game to non-footie neutrals, and they correctly IMO consider that the potentially excellent (though often a twit) Rooney was mistreated.

It would be nice if France play their 4th decent game tonight and stuff the Portuguese.

P.S. As someone half-Italian, I hope that having underperformed typically/played better last night the blues give it a proper whirl in final.

As an old git who has seen England/Italy/Brazil/Chels win, I don't give a ... who plays the good footie, as long as footie/reffing etc is up to quality, and that cheating plonkers are sorted out.

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Although generally underperforming/crap, England again were unbeaten.

Chumpy,

This is true. But packing the midfield is something you do if you have a dodgy defence and are scared of getting beaten.

All pundits seem to agree that the current England defence is a strength. Surely this should have given confidence to play more attacking formations as it was clear that goals were going to have to come from attacking midfield.

Instead we ended up with a midfield five that was communicating with (still not fully fit) Rooney by carrier pigeon.

No. Indecision made hard work of this and it was awful to watch. He was never going to drop Beckham, he accommodated a badly out of form Lampard when he should have built an attacking midfield around Gerrard, with Rooney playing behind a front two - even if one of the two had to be Cole J.

We may not have won the competition but we would have done a heap better at doing what English teams do best - attack.

Rant over - let's hope for Italy v France, a worthy final.

What's with this unbeaten bollocks. Did they change the rules when I wasn't looking?

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Originally posted by manicatel:
Well said steve.
Beckhams pre-emptive move of resigning the captaincy only happenend because he knew he was going to lose it anyway, so it was a PR face saving performance. It alas also means it may be more difficult to drop him from the team completely, as he stole the "moral" high ground with his tearful performance.
He should have gone after the 2002 world cup, imho.
matt.

Insofar as Beckham is highly unlikely to be in the next world cup I see no reason why he should ever play for england again. I think the younger players should be given the experience from the next international onwards and groomed for the next world cup as a team and not as that bizarre concoction that is the football team version of the car designed by a committee. Individual talent without synergy is not enough. (Naimees know these things)

Not that I watched any of their games

Beckham has to remain in the England team - otherwise they won't sell out of replica shirts in the far east and they'll have a lot of stock on their hands. When the last shirts have been sold then we can bring in a youngster.

To add to some of the comment I thought that I would share this quality rant from Mad Mike recently posted on our 5-a-Side web site.

Regards

Nic

"En-ger-land

Well gents, in your youth, did you ever meet 2 birds with a mate, put your money on what you thought was the dirtiest of them - only to find out that the one you are with was the virgin and your mate got the whore?

Well that's football for you. Because while we were all downing the cans and shouting come on england, the whore was playing on BBC2 and winning a tennis match.

Now I'm Welsh - but I feel your pain. Me and Huw know what "shite at sport" means in any language. It's alright for us Normans - and the Huguenots - we'll just support france now.
We always seem to find them don't we?
Some f*cking idiot who, despite all the preparation, is determined to get themselves sent off. Not helped by a Portuguese person. Or a Swede for that matter.

Now I have spent all week buying the Guardian and collecting the nature wall charts - sea shells, crabs and lobsters, whales etc etc. Today I bought the Independent - headlines "is the hysteria surrounding this match symptomatic of a nation in crisis?" But even I found myself shouting "f*ck off you cheating Portuguese c*nt" at strategic moments in that game.

Fwank "the wank" Lampard - he's just drifted past the sliding door of my brain - can we get to heathrow with a duelling banjoes band for fwank's homecoming? I have to mention Hargreaves - bloody awesome - same can't be said of the rest of the over-hyped players - Beckham - f*ck the talent, money matters - myth well and truly blown out of the water - the joke's up - no more please - "money men perpetuate this myth" - pass it on, Lampard - BBC MOTD official guide voted best player in the world - I think not, Gerrard - Crimewatch next week asks "Steven gerrard - police are anxious to trace this man's movements on July 1 2006 - if you have any information....."

I channel flicked during the game. Sky Sports - some crowd in London - "I know" says the reporter, "we'll not interview any of the English fans because they will be too pissed and might swear on air.
Sky Reporter: "let's go and chat to some Portuguese supporters. You sir, did you think the Rooney sending off was right?"
Portuguese boat-person: "well, I tink it was OK for us. I mean, it was right decision."
In the background, some Portuguese supporter with a far better command of the English language pipes up "corse it was a red card - Rooney stamped on the bollocks innit?" My highlight of the game.
Sky Reporter: "Now now sir, bad language, please, we're on air."

What a momentous day. We wake up this morning and 90 years since the Somme kicked off was being commemorated. It's all synonimous with football. Why? Well, these poor ancestors of ours, favourite sport = football. So the chaps back at HQ decide "How can we encourage these guys to march toward an enemy line?" "I know, let's get them to kick a football into no man's land." And blow me, it worked - umpteen thousand times over. That's why, despite Murray winning through, we should not switch our allegiance from the sport of the masses and the great unwashed. I know of several old corpses that have been dug up on the Somme with footballs and goalkeeping gloves in hand, but none with tennis rackets and whites. So f*ck off tennis - none of your Joyce Grenfell and Richard Wattis shite here. A bunch of Germans sat playing cards in a trench when, out of nowhere, Lesley Phillips sticks his head over the top "Well, Hair-Lair. I wouldn't mind knocking a few balls your way." No, I don't think so!!!!!

Lager louts they may be, embarrassing at times. OK, I admit it - Mick Jagger in the crowd hardly gives us street cred. "Like, come on England man, it would be really groovy if you could win this one for the fans". Like Mick man, it would have been really groovy if you could have gone for a swim with Brian Jones man, for that was when your good music ended. Like fwank, Brian man, you were out of your depth.

But what has tennis got to compare - Cliff Richard that's what. Rain at Wimbledon - "Hello my name's Cliff, and I'm going to sing you a few songs." camera pans to ugly woman in the crowd with tiny union jack flag and home made knitted white cardigan "to keep the chill off". For flag wave, read masturbation. "Got myself my only talking, walking, squawking living doll". Would that have some air in it then cliff? f*ck off again.
Sue Barker - "thanks cliff, that was brilliant."
"Oh, Hi sue, perhaps we can get together later on and have some non-sex."
"Yes, I'd really like that sue"
"and bring your gay male lover cliff."

But there is a worse fate than england going out of the world cup folks. For one, Mexico, a far superior Argentine side and a brazilian side, both caught in headlights when it mattered most. And of course thousands upon thousands of young soldiers - of all nationalities - who never had the chance to watch football on the tv, just got to play the game in no man's land. For us, we have a second chance, a third chance - and then a 4th and a 5th - but our Tommies had no chance. And that is far more important than a game of footie ......but f*ck off tennis".

So?

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FWIW, two British soldiers where killed in Afghanistan the day England lost to Portugal.

Indeed, and if people thought by switching their attention from the World Cup it would stop tragedy elswhere, they would.

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Its called "putting matters into perspective".

Pointing this out means that you think others lack your own sense of perspective. How arrogant.

There isn't a post or subject on the forum that passes that particular test.

Sorry but you certainly achieve that too.

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FWIW, two British soldiers where killed in Afghanistan the day England lost to Portugal.

How else would you describe planting an obvious fact like that into a thread that was totally unrelated to such serious subjects (as all items here are).

What could the purpose have been other than to demonstrate that you alone are more concerned with matters of higher importance?

Unnecessary, in the absence of anyone expressing a view that this subject IS somehow more important than the death of anyone.

Or is that just your trump card when a subject is under discussion that you personally have no interest in?

Ronaldo and all the other cynical tacticians, including Henry with his spectacular dive have made a superb case for an off pitch referee / official monitoring the tv camera coverage. The play acting / cheating / yellow or red card lobbying tactics cannot be dealt with by the ref on the pitch - a radio link, already in existance should be employed. Some say this will ruin the game. I contend that a vigorous application will soon put paid to the cheats and the tactics would soon be dropped.

Portugal were poor, showed little or no prospect of scoring against England which made England's dreadful performance all the more apparent. The tactics were insane - putting a hot head like Rooney out on an unsupported limb was a time bomb waiting to explode. All Portugal did was rise to the bait placed before them.

The arrogance of the England team was unbelievable - rubbish performance after rubbish performance and the players appeared after each match kidding the viewers and themselves that they'd done a good job and they would do better in the following match. The crowning glory of this arrogance and self delusionment was the Blair like incredulity of Beckham hosting a press conference to announce to the world that he has decided to step down as England skipper. That after another lousy performance and in anticipation of a very public sacking. I wonder if he even realises what was about to happen.

I do wish that Alderdyce or O'Niel had been given the new coach/manager post - it would take someone of their brass to get hold of the English prima donas and try to get through to them the job that they are being richly paid to perform. Not so sure McLaren has it in him but I wish him every success.

The match last night really acted as a superb exemplar to England setting out what it takes to succeed at this level. What a huge task lies ahead.

Peter

We never did get an explanation for the extraordinary assertion that "England were again unbeaten".

It can only rest upon the unspoken precondition that, as Ingerlund are crap at penalties, penalties somehow don't count towards the result of a match.

Graham

Graham

I think I heard it stated by one of the tv commentators that to lose by penalty shoot out is not recorded officially as a defeat. I've no idea why that would be other than the fact that defeat was not inflicted during play.

Peter

France vs Portugal was rubbish, but at least the better side won.

Ronaldo was a joke - should have been sent off for two dives. Least effective player on the pitch - gave Pauleta no service at all. I think he let the whole of Portugal down with his inept performance and cheating. The people of Portugal deserve better than Ronaldo - remember Eusebio da Silva Ferreira, now he was a great player.

No doubt whatever about the French penalty, but didn't understand why Carvalho wasn't booked and then sent off when he got a yellow later on.

France did not play well - Portugal did not play.

Best man on the field was Jorge Larrionda (the ref).