Portuguese Ronaldo

ROFT,

I am no lover of Ronaldo's antics, but his skills on the ball were there for all to see. It is a shame that his cheating detracts so much from from what he is actually very good at.

The real clue was the constant booing that he received, from kick off onwards. He has now been sussed, and could easily have walked for his dives. Pauleta could not have scored in a brothel tonight.

Whilst Henry made the most of the foul for the penalty, it was more of a penalty than some seen during the competition. I am delighted for the French team, but Bartez would give you a heart attack if he played for your team.

Scolari's behaviour towards the ref at the end of the game, was as disgraceful as the cheating by his team. Coincidence?

Nic

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
So?

Nigel,

It was another point of view, on a World Cup thread. If it it was not to your taste, so be it. Made me smile.

Nic

Well Done France

Italy and France are worthy finalists.

I feel sorry for the Germans having to play Portugal on Saturday.

Hopefully the Germans will win that game and give Ronaldo another opportunity to cry again.

I noticed that according to the press Rooney's offence is now an "alleged" stamping...

There is no doubt that Ronaldo is a diving little prick, but he did nothing wrong in the Rooney incident and his diving last night was no worse than we've been seeing from Henry (who's had a couple of the most blatant dives in the tournament) or Joe Cole.

In the final I hope we see the France that turned up against Brazil and the Italy from the Germany game. Anything else and it could be turgid.

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Originally posted by nicnaim:
The real clue was the constant booing that he received, from kick off onwards.

Going by the flags in the crowd it would appear that the booing was predominately from England fans who'd bought tickets for the game thinking that their side were going to figure in it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve G:
In the final I hope we see the France that turned up against Brazil and the Italy from the Germany game.
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That could be one of the greatest finals ever, Fingers crossed.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-
You clearly did not watch the game the rest of us watched, with Ronaldo throwing himself into the air in a ( failed ) attempt to win a penalty.

That was a clear dive, just as Henry's was for the France penalty. It was also no worse than the Joe Cole dive that gave England the winner against Ecuador.

The Henry dive against Spain was the most disgraceful in the whole tournament so far (which is saying a lot considering you've the likes of Robben there).

Was there a player on dislpay that wouldn't have "bought" (as the pundits seem fond of describing cheats) a penalty?

A lousy part of the game but pretty widespread, best tackled by decent refs, of which there have been a few thank goodness.

Not Mr Poll though eh? He even beat the WAGs to the duty free shop.

I thought the Scolari behaviour was of extreme bad taste.
Even though IMO the penalty wasn't really a penalty, Portugal can't complain about about it as we where diving all over the place...a got beat at there own game. As someone posted already France played bad, but Portugal didn't play at all.
As I heard on the radio this morning coming into work:
"We (Portugal) must of thought they where at Munich's Olympic pool ...."

My thoughts as the tournament is coming to an end is that much needs to be done regarding the ref's. As the teams become more and more competative the ref's just aren't up to the task aynmore (mediocre at best). Too many errors, too many cards shown (when they shouldn't have), and too many not shown (dives).

Paulo

The other thing that needs addressing is the view among the overpaid prima donnas that play the game as expressed by Chris Waddle that they have no responsibility to play the game fairly and it is solely down to the ref to catch them out. What a pillock.

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Originally posted by Steve G:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-
You clearly did not watch the game the rest of us watched, with Ronaldo throwing himself into the air in a ( failed ) attempt to win a penalty.

That was a clear dive, just as Henry's was for the France penalty. It was also no worse than the Joe Cole dive that gave England the winner against Ecuador.

The Henry dive against Spain was the most disgraceful in the whole tournament so far (which is saying a lot considering you've the likes of Robben there).

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The moral of this is, England are thoroughly decent chaps and jolly good sports. The reason they never win is not because the other teams are better, its because those foreign Johnnies are all blatant bad eggs. Its just not cricket.

One thing I did notice was that many of the worst divers in this tournament currently play in the EPL - Henry, Joe Cole, Portugese Ronaldo, Gerrard, Robben.

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Originally posted by Malky:
The moral of this is, England are thoroughly decent chaps and jolly good sports. The reason they never win is not because the other teams are better, its because those foreign Johnnies are all blatant bad eggs. Its just not cricket.

Spot on - except we don't win at cricket either. 0-5 against Sri Lanka is not a great result and their best player had gone home.

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Originally posted by Steve G:
One thing I did notice was that many of the worst divers in this tournament currently play in the EPL - Henry, Joe Cole, Portugese Ronaldo, Gerrard, Robben.

Interesting point - real men, of course, play in the Championship.

I detest cheating whoever does it. I don't like deliberately kicking the ball at an opponent either as Henry did to get a throw or taking the ball in to the corner to waste time. I can't see the point of these things - I think if you concentrate on playing the ball and doing the right things then you'll win anyway - why dive when you could stay on your feet and score.

Robbie Fowler once told a ref that he fell and wasn't touched and the ref gave a penalty which he duly passed to the goalkeeper - where has that spirit gone.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ROTF:
Robbie Fowler once told a ref that he fell and wasn't touched and the ref gave a penalty which he duly passed to the goalkeeper - where has that spirit gone.
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I don't know but I'm sure it must be something to do with the obscene amounts of money at stake via sponsorship that inculcates 'the win at all costs' mentality, or to be more precise 'don't lose at all costs and dive to get your opponent booked/ sent off' mentality.

Just read this on the BBC

Ronaldo, 21, said: "I was pleased about being booed. Maybe France fans were upset to see a dangerous player. I'm not worried." Ronaldo preferred to focus on the performance of referee Jorge Larrionda, claiming the Uruguayan was biased against his side. "We played well and did our best but the referee didn't help us. Everyone who saw the match could see that the referee wasn't fair. He should have shown yellow cards but he did not because Portugal is a small country. We just have to carry on working and then we will be a big country."

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
the only other guy I've seen denying Portugal are dirty is Portuguese

I'm pretty sure they take showers after gaves like everyone else...

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Originally posted by prc:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
the only other guy I've seen denying Portugal are dirty is Portuguese

I'm pretty sure they take showers after games like everyone else...

Excellent

We aren't allowed too many showers here as we have a water shortage - though it rained all day today.

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You are losing it here. Even Alan Hanson agreed it was a stone-cold sitter, as shown by the innumerable replays where you can clearly ( well, MOST people can ) see Henry get caught by the defenders left leg.

Contact was definitely made and it was even a reasonable penalty shout - Henry still dived though.

BTW Alan Hansen is a cock.

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Originally posted by Malky:
England are thoroughly decent chaps and jolly good sports. The reason they never win is not because the other teams are better, its because those foreign Johnnies are all blatant bad eggs. Its just not cricket.

Well, it made me laugh, what?

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Originally posted by Frank Abela:
Well, according to our quirky stats at http://www.informationbuilders.co.uk/ontheball, Italy lead the way bigtime in terms of dives (28), they're joint second for bullying the referee and 3rd in the fake injury stakes so I don't want them to win. Other than that, the others look to be coming strong now, so any will do I guess.

Sure, Frank, sure.....
anyway, oh, well, it's YOUR "quirky stats.....": absolutely objective!
Is that why many good players from foreign leagues are not more so good when come to play in the italian league? Not good with dives, bullying and injury ?

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
Its called "cheating", AD.

M

I don't like it either, but some call it "part of the game".. or worse a "way of life"...

Paulo

This is the 11th World Cup I have watched on TV and it finished as being the biggest crock of shit I could have dreaded.

Although half-It, It were usually useless/cheating as v. Oz (apart from against Germs).

France as many with eyes/brains half observed were better in final, but despite about 3 and a bit good games they were (especially Arse Henry) poor.

It/Fra/Eng finished unbeaten.

Ronaldinho etc were shite/my fave of past 12 years Zidane did have some good contributions, but I wish he had thumped with his fist rather than risked his scoring head. (I do not condone unneccessary violence, including banging ex-Ever heart-area).

I liked Eng scoring/a coupla Bra games/1 Argie game/lots of African stuff/lots of Germ warfare/a tiny bit of early Dutch 'left-wing' play.

The tournament was brilliantly staged by Germs/generally cack Eufa-refereed.

IMO verbal insults/pinching nipples/jumping over as if fouled are as illegal as nutting by reality.

We get the footie we deserve, and I blame UK government whom some brain-dead greedy twats keep electing thinking they are sons/daughters of Maggie.

Harold Wilson despite his pipe won WC for England.

Last time It won WC I was happy.

This time it was best ignored.

Hype/money kill truth-quality-morality.

Eufa-Fyffe are there to be removed.

I am happy to see good footie whoever does it.

This was truly the widescreen digital HiDef palimpsest.

AS I often say, if the message is good, the medium doesn't matter.

Is he leaving Man Utd or staying?

He want's to go, they want him to stay unless they can get mega money for him. He'll be going for mega money then.