I'm curious
Posted by: Fisbey on 01 December 2005
Just recently I've noticed a certain frustration with people who don't see fit to apologise, whenver I've upset someone I will almost immediately say 'sorry'. However when I've been upset by other people and have explained this to them I very rarely seem to get an apology - this especially appears to apply with women.
I'm really trying hard not to be sexist and I understand they're the fairer sex and all that, but it doesn't seem particularly fair to me, after all men have feelings don't they?
I'm really trying hard not to be sexist and I understand they're the fairer sex and all that, but it doesn't seem particularly fair to me, after all men have feelings don't they?
Maybe I'm just a wierdo 
No no it's true. It's a well known phenomenon in sports. When women get into a fight during a match, they won't speak to members of the competitive squad for years. With men, they go and have drink afterwards and laugh about it.
For women a simple sorry isn't enough, so perhaps that's why they don't apologize that much? Or maybe men have a lot more to apologize for
For women a simple sorry isn't enough, so perhaps that's why they don't apologize that much? Or maybe men have a lot more to apologize for
This is extremely tricky as almost anything said here now will be seen as sexist,..... 
The issue is with women up to, say, 45. It's a generation thing.
It's true that when in a car and trying to get into the flow of traffic, you will never be let out by a woman. In fact, they will most likely stop right in front of you to prevent you edging out. I think it's to do with being blinkered and that their horizon finishes 1 mitre in front of them. Take womens magazines: Nothing about anything going on anywhere, national or international issues or interests: nothing! It's just , me, me, me, bags, food, shoes, massage, pampering, reality programmes, soaps on TV, me, me, me.
Women, quite rightly, became empowered in the 80's & 90's and decided en-masse to stop being treated as dogsbodies. Now, women can't cook, to the extent that Gordon Ramsey is campaigning to get women into the kitchen, but this current generation haven't a clue and have never, ever cooked. Men cook. Men can cook real food and women go to Iceland. The real problem, is that the current generation of young women have blown it by, not becoming empowered, but becoming almost redundant . I heard on the radio today that a recent study has shown that 9% of all men have now visited a prostitute, which is over double the previous poll. That's no coincidence.
I think it's more to do with the total breakdown of womankind as women have been given the power, but have no idea of what to do with it except take the easy ride and do nothing much, at all, really, I'll just sit and read Now!!!, or Hello!! or More!!!.
These are funny times, but with a reaction to the current lack of female culture and loss of identity, balance will be restored. But women need to do something positive with their freedom first that puts them back as having an important role, which is totally missing right now.
It's a shame because there should be equality, and sexism cleared completely away by now. The chance, I'm afraid, has been squandered. Women unfortunately chose to be confrontational and not diplomatic. It is, as you say Fisbey, in their nature to be that way. It's done nothing but harm to their status. Womankind currently is undergoing a crisis.
This is NOT a rant or a moan. This is a serious matter. I do not believe that the old fashioned womens role was right. I believe in total equality. I'd laugh about it if it wasn't so tragic.
The issue is with women up to, say, 45. It's a generation thing.
It's true that when in a car and trying to get into the flow of traffic, you will never be let out by a woman. In fact, they will most likely stop right in front of you to prevent you edging out. I think it's to do with being blinkered and that their horizon finishes 1 mitre in front of them. Take womens magazines: Nothing about anything going on anywhere, national or international issues or interests: nothing! It's just , me, me, me, bags, food, shoes, massage, pampering, reality programmes, soaps on TV, me, me, me.
Women, quite rightly, became empowered in the 80's & 90's and decided en-masse to stop being treated as dogsbodies. Now, women can't cook, to the extent that Gordon Ramsey is campaigning to get women into the kitchen, but this current generation haven't a clue and have never, ever cooked. Men cook. Men can cook real food and women go to Iceland. The real problem, is that the current generation of young women have blown it by, not becoming empowered, but becoming almost redundant . I heard on the radio today that a recent study has shown that 9% of all men have now visited a prostitute, which is over double the previous poll. That's no coincidence.
I think it's more to do with the total breakdown of womankind as women have been given the power, but have no idea of what to do with it except take the easy ride and do nothing much, at all, really, I'll just sit and read Now!!!, or Hello!! or More!!!.
These are funny times, but with a reaction to the current lack of female culture and loss of identity, balance will be restored. But women need to do something positive with their freedom first that puts them back as having an important role, which is totally missing right now.
It's a shame because there should be equality, and sexism cleared completely away by now. The chance, I'm afraid, has been squandered. Women unfortunately chose to be confrontational and not diplomatic. It is, as you say Fisbey, in their nature to be that way. It's done nothing but harm to their status. Womankind currently is undergoing a crisis.
This is NOT a rant or a moan. This is a serious matter. I do not believe that the old fashioned womens role was right. I believe in total equality. I'd laugh about it if it wasn't so tragic.
quote:This is NOT a rant
And this isn't a post
quote:Originally posted by Nime:
No. That's a disgraceful admission that 9% men really don't give a f*ck about women.
Exactly!!
Apart from your last line, (which can be overlooked as getting carried away) I agree with you wholeheartedly on everything you say. That's why this whole falling apart of the fabric of the roles and identities of the sexes is so tragic. It's become a gender war, but once again women are on the losing side because they themselves messed it up.
I would be wary of blaming the sex trade entirely on men too. There are some evil bastards out there of both genders. I know what you are saying about men going on sex holidays to eastern Europe, but the behaviour and general sordidness of young women getting paralytic and going on shagging holidays really isn't all that different considering that none of these people have ever thought about, or care, about the politics of what they are doing. What is even more incredible is that channels like Sky appear to be promoting it, by making TV programmes and creating celebrities out of some lowlife. Watched mainly by women, I might add.
Christ..I sound old.
I just want women to grasp the opportunity of equality and use it to good effect, instead of pissing it away like they are right now.
quote:Originally posted by Rasher:
This is extremely tricky as almost anything said here now will be seen as sexist,.....
It doesn't come across as sexist at all. It comes across as prejudiced. What you see reinforces what you already think. Your anecdotes inform your opinions.
quote:Originally posted by Deane F:
It doesn't come across as sexist at all. It comes across as prejudiced.
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??OK. I give up.
But you are too frightened to offer an opinion of your own?
Deane,
The trick here is to look beyond the overtly sexist aspect of Rasher's post; in fact he's helped you do this by admitting first up that what he was going to say was sexist!
And, having thought about it, he's IMO absolutely right. Women give the impression they are on a revenge mission for all the repression they suffered in former times as being forever the home-maker, washing and cleaning up after their man who took the better paid jobs and enjoyed the higher standard of living.
Now that women have turned this around have attained, to a certain extent, level pegging they are saying, "right men, fuck the lot of you, we're better than you and always were!"
Or something like that.
How does the saying go...when in a hole....
Cheers,
Jon
The trick here is to look beyond the overtly sexist aspect of Rasher's post; in fact he's helped you do this by admitting first up that what he was going to say was sexist!
And, having thought about it, he's IMO absolutely right. Women give the impression they are on a revenge mission for all the repression they suffered in former times as being forever the home-maker, washing and cleaning up after their man who took the better paid jobs and enjoyed the higher standard of living.
Now that women have turned this around have attained, to a certain extent, level pegging they are saying, "right men, fuck the lot of you, we're better than you and always were!"
Or something like that.
How does the saying go...when in a hole....
Cheers,
Jon
Where does a transexual fit in? (im not one)but they can have their cake and eat it cant they? 
regards
regards
quote:Originally posted by Rasher:
But you are too frightened to offer an opinion of your own?
I prefer to let people make their own choices... and I prefer to form opinions about my own behaviour.
quote:Originally posted by Deane F:
Rasher actually gave himself away when he disapproved of an entire class of humans distinguished from other humans entirely by their ownership of vaginas.
Deane
Excuse me?
I most certainly do not disapprove of all women! Where on earth are you get that generalisation from? I am suggesting that there is a case that some women have taken their new found status (about time too) fought for by the female activists of the 60's, 70's & 80's, and have decided that the best thing to do is nothing. Men have been made to find their feminine side and be capable all round humans (again, about time too), but many women have decided that this can be an opportunity to dumb down and do nothing at all but be couch potatoes and contribute nothing. Incidentally, 2 out of every 3 new lawyers are women, so there is an element that are taking the initiative, but they (this is a fact) tend to not contribute at home to the tasks that men have had to adopt as well as their professions. I do not disapprove, but I am disappointed in general. I don't know whether your computer Deane is throwing capitals up, but I am trying to make a reasoned point and trying not to sound as though I am shouting or ranting. I was trying to stress that this isn't a rant
. I WANT women to be equal (sorry, I shouted), but they are blowing their chance with the current generation who seem angry, soaked in booze, and only interested in tabloid celebrities. Maybe the situation in NZ is radically different to ours (I'm sure it is) and you may not be familiar with the current state of "family" and "community" over here.
Deane, read my posts again and remove the presumption that I am a woman hater. Please.
Fisbey - I'll get you for this!
quote:Originally posted by JonR:
How does the saying go...when in a hole....
Cheers,
Jon
Yup... that's me.
Rasher,
I was actually referring to me...but hey you're more than welcome to join the club.
Cheers,
Jon
I was actually referring to me...but hey you're more than welcome to join the club.
Cheers,
Jon
Yellow or blue?
quote:Originally posted by Deane F:
If I thought you were a misogynist I would use the word in my post.
Deane
Good. As I understand it, a misogynist hates women just because they are women. I was merely voicing a critisicm of one aspect of the behaviour of the current generation.
Liberty. Yes.
Funny old thing that, like people saying youth is wasted on the young. I think I'll just back quietly out of the room now....
quote:Originally posted by Merto:
I may not agree with all you have said but I fully support your right to voice your opinion.
That's what I love about the Forum. Everybody has a right to my opinion...
quote:Political correctness has gone too far and its a shame that people are brow beaten into toeing the line. Why can we not voice an opinion about a sensitive subject (gender, race, politics etc) without that opinion being construed as some sort of "ism"?
Well, Merto, I guess it's that whole "free speech" thing. If you are sure of your opinion then how can you be brow beaten? And if you argue your opinion well then what does it matter if it is a sensitive subject?