Shot Policewoman suspect

Presumably he must be related to the same bandits who broke into most of the houses in our village. The culprits were (quote) "Well known to the police but we can't catch them, or prove anything." (unquote)

Anyone surprised that he's black? What is it about young black men and guns? It can't be all about rap music, surely?

Graham

I wonder how long it will be before people really do take matters into their own hands and own guns for their own protection. If the police continue to do nothing but react by filling in a report after another incident, then it will come. I would have no hesitation to use force to protect my family and I don't give a damn about the consequences.

The situation in the US is a catch-22 one. I don't agree with wide-spread gun ownership, but if I lived over there I probably would get one as you'd pretty much have to assume that any burglar etc. would be armed.

I hope the same situation never develops in the UK, however the current situation does seem to prove the point that perhaps more restrictive gun laws are pointless because it's only the folks that wouldn't offend that'll obey them anyway. The handgun laws that were brought in after Dunblane don't seem to have helped in the slightest.

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Anyone surprised that he's black? What is it about young black men and guns? It can't be all about rap music, surely?
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What.................WTF is this guy talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????

Malky

I'm talking about the fact that this is (apparently) yet another shooting carried out by a young black man. Are you not aware that this is a problem in inner city Britain?

Graham

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Can anyone give me a good reason why the Police aren't arresting "known armed, crack cocaine dealer"s in the first place before they get chance to take pot shots at our security forces

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I detest drug dealers, they are the worst kind of lowlife parasite especially those who hangaround schools offering cheap or even free drugs to children in order to get them addicted and then put them pimp them on the streets. I have seen this is Nottigham.

Recently I saw a drug dealer selling drugs whilst partly hidden in the Brighton War Memorial - I called the police three times and no one came in over two hours of waiting.

Look at where America is now and you will see where we will be within ten years. We must either accept this and look to minimise as they do in America whilst admitting we are losing the war as they admit they are losing the war or we must take very severe measures. Personally I think the only way to slove the problem is to gun down the dealers in the streets. I am not advocating this I am merely saying it's the only way to stop the ever growing threat. Armed police should video any transactions from their car or van, a judge in the back seat should witness the transaction and video proof and the execution should take place in public immediately. The same should happen in clubs and discos and the place cleared and shut down after the shooting. I think this will solve the problem. If no one dares to sell the stuff the supply will dry up. I repeat I am not advocating this but if we don't go down this route then we must see the fabric of our society fall apart even more than it is already. Such is the choice we have.

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Originally posted by graham55:
Anyone surprised that he's black? What is it about young black men and guns? It can't be all about rap music, surely?

Graham

I have seen many blacks on Brighton seafront at night selling drugs openly and the police do nothing about it. I have a friend who believes the police are on the take or why else does this go on unchallenged?

Good plan Erik! Except the bleeding hearts will go crackers if an innocent drug dealer's minder or drug user gets so much as a scratch from a richochet.

Oh, and there's always the little matter of justice. Defense lawyers have to be able to afford Naim kit too. Having listened to a number lengthy radio interviews with top Danish defense lawyers I believe that good defense lawyers are vastly more important than any number of prosecution lawyers or police snipers.

Nobody forces anybody to take drugs. Drugs-dependant suicide is staring them in the face from the very first fix. Nobody can argue there isn't enough anti-drugs education and publicity by now.

Perhaps the human condition is on a low? Politics offers nothing but vile corruption and double-talk. There is no clear leadership. Todays idols are cheating, drug-taking, millionaire footballers or poop stars with foul mouths and no ability to communicate at even the most basic level. Everything is about escape from the grim reality of globalisation, global warming, energy crisis, avian flu', Aids, religious wars, junk food and obesity.

Drug dealing crime could be eradicated over night by legalising the drugs and making them available on prescription. The addicts would then have an opportunity of seeking help or resolving their problem much quicker in one way or another.

This is a very wise point of view.
Blood and jail did bring to nowhere.

Catch 22. No politician would ever get re-elected if he "went soft" on drugs.

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Originally posted by Nime:
Good plan Erik! Except the bleeding hearts will go crackers if an innocent drug dealer's minder or drug user gets so much as a scratch from a richochet.

Oh, and there's always the little matter of justice. Defense lawyers have to be able to afford Naim kit too. Having listened to a number lengthy radio interviews with top Danish defense lawyers I believe that good defense lawyers are vastly more important than any number of prosecution lawyers or police snipers.

Nobody forces anybody to take drugs. Drugs-dependant suicide is staring them in the face from the very first fix. Nobody can argue there isn't enough anti-drugs education and publicity by now.

Perhaps the human condition is on a low? Politics offers nothing but vile corruption and double-talk. There is no clear leadership. Todays idols are cheating, drug-taking, millionaire footballers or poop stars with foul mouths and no ability to communicate at even the most basic level. Everything is about escape from the grim reality of globalisation, global warming, energy crisis, avian flu', Aids, religious wars, junk food and obesity.

Hi Nime,

I agree with all you say. Like I said I am not advocating summary executions in public (or in private)I just don't see any other conventional solution. Drug addictions cause concomitant increases in crime, prostitution, sexually trasmitted diseases, mental disorders, physical ill-health, divorce, broken relationships, an increase in the tax burden and of course suicide. Taking drugs or drinking does not give anyone an escape from the problems confronting us it just makes it all worse - there may be a short term distraction from the problems but there is no true escape. After the drugs effect has worn off the problems still remain with the addition of another problem - the withdrawal. With drugs there is never a net gain - you start on zero and go up 4 points, then you come down 6 points, so you are minus 2 on the deal thus there is there is no benefit over cost. We certainly live in degenerate times, where will it all end? I know a girl who takes MDMA the pure form of ecstacy - she has to take loads of prozac to repair the nerve endings destroyed by the drug - she cant hold down a job and is now on incapacity benefit. She has recently got involved with a dealer and has taken part in drug induced orgies....what next. In america there is an epidemic of a drug I cant remember its name, it can be concocted in anyoneone's kitchen and for every manufacturer the police find they reckon 40 go undetected. It's hitting the UK now. The drug offers ecstacy like 'benfits' not for a few hours but days! However it destroys the brains natural capacity for happy states of mind by destroying nerve endings and so a user has to take the stuff or feel depressed and so the vicios cycle goes on, the kidneys and liver packs up, the brain packs up and they die. Millions are effected and it IS going to get worse. Much worse. How can we fight the animals that manufacture and sell this evil except by becoming animals ourselves? What a dilema. We remain decent and the wave of drugs destoys us or we become barbarians. Is there any other choice? Certainly some very strong international leadership is called for, I agree the level of complaceny is must stop.

We need a different approach to the matter.
After the starting of the american war on drugs the compsumption of cocaine raised of 80% in few years.
There must something wrong.

Goin further i think that legalisation is impossible, except for marijuana which is a complete different thing.
Controlled distributions to beat the illegal market and recovering of addicteds is a way.
Putting addicteds in jail, just like in Italy, has no result but the encreasement of the addicteds.
Holland follow a good way, i think.
They have problems with drugs dealers in the streets as well but the citizens, at any age, are aware of the risk of meeting a pusher on a corner of a road.
Information is basic.
But if someone think that we can go on fighiting the problem this way he is wrong.
Too much people die in this and the result is: 0
An entire us marines division in south america din't stop the traffic.
The more you push people in the hidden illegal market the more ruined lives we'll have.

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
Goin further i think that legalisation is impossible, except for marijuana which is a complete different thing

Gianluigi,

I am afraid you are misinformed. The link between schizophrenia amongst those who use marijuana in in their teens and early twenties is incontrovertable and well documented forcing the government in the UK to rethink their bizarre and totally stupid law to re-classify mariguana from class B to class C.

My advice - learn to meditate, it is free and there are no side effects.

Regards,

Erik

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Originally posted by graham55:
Malky

I'm talking about the fact that this is (apparently) yet another shooting carried out by a young black man. Are you not aware that this is a problem in inner city Britain?

Graham

But are you not also aware that a black teenager with a lot of promise was axed to death not so recently in one of our larger cities.... People should think first before posting this type of stupid comment on public websites. As you can see in the news all races and ALL COLOURS are capable of doing similar things. Just take a look at the actions of our armed forces in the news recently and they were evn stupid enough to video it all. Even worse they are doing it to their own comrades.

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Originally posted by erik scothron:

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Originally posted by graham55:
Anyone surprised that he's black? What is it about young black men and guns? It can't be all about rap music, surely?

Graham

I have seen many blacks on Brighton seafront at night selling drugs openly and the police do nothing about it. I have a friend who believes the police are on the take or why else does this go on unchallenged?

I agree with all of you that drugs is a problem in the UK. However the manufacture, distribution and selling is not restricted to black people I am sure that there are people from all races involved. I don't hear anyone complaining that some white bloke has broken into their house and stolen their stuff to sell for his next fix or when an 80 year old grandma gets beaten up in her own home so that a junkie can get their next fix. So stop with the black thing and and discuss the issues of policing this country which by the way is still one of the safest places to live in the world. Let's just treat each other reasonable with an open mind then we may all get along

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My advice - learn to meditate, it is free and there are no side effects.

I know.
Thanks for the advice anyway.

Goin back to the matter i think that some of reports regarding marijuana effects are a bit forced by political interests.
Btw i did not wrote that hemp should be gave away in schools or in supermarkets.
I think that the effort against drugs should be pointed more on stronger drugs which are those that made the problem seriuos.
I did not write that sitting and smoking marijuana all day long is a good thing.
But i do know that a lot of people used it in the centuries and even my greatgrandmother was use to have a kind of light opium extract to relax and fall asleep at night.
The problem started when industries banned hemp and alcohol to start selling plastic and oil.
The first model of the Ford motor company, the T model, was made of hemp, except the engine's metal part.
Even tiers were made on such plant.
Alcohol went banned because the people workin the land in the american countries started usin it to make engines run and somebody did not agree.
They should use oil.
Nobody new a thing about eroin till a well known pharmaceutics company developed the formula.
In south america a lot of people use cocaine leaves to make tea and they don't get addicted.
I still do think that the problem is not marijuana, but politicians and industrialists.
I'd put the vatican in the group as well.
At this point i personally ban alcohol as well.
It kills more people every year than all the different drugs together.
But the matter is that getting drunk has been get as a sort of virility while industries make billions on people problems and desease.
Psychotrophic drugs are sold in pharmacist's shops, but nobody say that those bloody pils destroy your brain like chemicals drugs.
I saw the effects on my dear mother with Tavor.
So i do say again that marijuana is not a problem.
The problem is the people that want to gain money on the whole matter.
Come in Italy and see.

spartacus

My previous comment wasn't "stupid", even though it may not have been politically correct.

I abhor the fact that a young black man was axed to death by a couple of white racist thugs. They deserve all that the law can impose on them.

That doesn't in any way detract from the fact that there are gangs of young black thugs roaming the streets with guns in our major cities. They deserve the very same.

Graham

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Originally posted by graham55:
spartacus

My previous comment wasn't "stupid", even though it may not have been politically correct.

I abhor the fact that a young black man was axed to death by a couple of white racist thugs. They deserve all that the law can impose on them.

That doesn't in any way detract from the fact that there are gangs of young black thugs roaming the streets with guns in our major cities. They deserve the very same.

Graham

Graham55,

What I am trying to point out is that by starting things off with "Anyone surprised he is black?..." sets the tone. There are all sorts of gangs roaming our cities but I do not differentiate between black and white thugs/pushers/criminals/ASBO youths. As far as I'm concerened people that break the law are simply people breaking the law and they need to be dealt with appropriately.

Colour does not come in to it. The law is the law and it is what protects all of us even though sometimes we may not agree with some of them, how they are applied and the sentences given.

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Originally posted by graham55:
Anyone surprised that he's black? What is it about young black men and guns? It can't be all about rap music, surely?

Graham

What the fuck are you talking about?! Yeah quite a few of them are left handed, have red hair and support Arsenal as well. Round up all golly handed, ginger Gooners. Easy solution!

Rich

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Originally posted by Steve G:
The situation in the US is a catch-22 one. I don't agree with wide-spread gun ownership, but if I lived over there I probably would get one as you'd pretty much have to assume that any burglar etc. would be armed.

I hope the same situation never develops in the UK, however the current situation does seem to prove the point that perhaps more restrictive gun laws are pointless because it's only the folks that wouldn't offend that'll obey them anyway. The handgun laws that were brought in after Dunblane don't seem to have helped in the slightest.

I am not sure how people can discuss these matters with seemingly no experience of them. There seems to be a lot of assumptions here. I have family living in New York for over 30 years and they have never owned or saw the need for a gun. Do not believe all that you see in movies and the media. They only show things that they think may entertain you or make news. The newpapers and television news never tell good stories with happy endings. The media seems to want us to be in a constant of hysteria. It is a well known fact that people are more likely to tell others about a bad incident than a good one.

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Round up all golly handed, ginger Gooners. Easy solution!

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I agree. I was always against ethnic cleansing type policies until I realised that this deviant population was rife in Britain today!

I am indeed out of my time. Is Iceland free of drugs? Fredrik