Shot Policewoman suspect

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Originally posted by ianmacd:
It's a fact that the majority of photo-fit images of wanted assailants or suspects of shootings on Crime Watch/News have black faces. If anyone doesn't believe me, take note next time the programs are shown.

Precisely my opinion too. Sod any of you if you think I'm racist; tell me this - are ~6%* of the photo fits of "ethnic minorities" while the rest are white? Nope. Thought not.

*IIRC this is what the ethnic minority population in the UK is - could be wrong though?

As for legalising drugs, I say go for it. Remember that line in Trainspotting: "We'd inject Vitemin C if only they'd make it illegal"? Makes sense to me. People often get into drugs because they like the feeling but also because it makes them look "hard" and "cool" due to the illicit nature of it.

Making it legal won't stop people trying it, but it'll cut down on the "oh wow - look at me, I'm a rebel" lot. The UN are the sticky wicket on allowing this one to happen though.

As for speeding motorists, why not just immediately ban them for a year if speeding on a motorway? Don't give me that crap about the limits being too low - America live with 55mph. Think yourselves lucky you have the ability to drive in the first place.

Totally agree with the view on prisons too - Sky TV, internet - FFS half the scum of the land have it better than decent hardworking people.

Dom actually a lot of the Interstates have 75mph speed limits, the US have speed limits as low as 20mph and they vary them quite a lot. Often it is 65mph on single carriageway roads.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Dom actually a lot of the Interstates have 75mph speed limits, the US have speed limits as low as 20mph and they vary them quite a lot. Often it is 65mph on single carriageway roads.

I stand corrected

Are their roads still so wide that they don't need steering wheels and indicators? They can't work stick shifts <ducks at blatant stereotyping>

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ISTR she was wearing her vest, but the round hit beneath the lower edge.

M,
they are designed to be worn with a compromise for folk sitting in cars. In reality you could issue 2, one for car drivers/passengers etc etc and one for foot patrol cops.

I know - I have one!

andy c!

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Andy - yes there would be still costs involved - but they should be plannable costs and not catastrophic costs involving victims of drug caused crime.

The reduction in police and legal costs would be quite significant.

If the lesser drugs were distributed appropriately there might be a taxable revenue potential as well

Why not de-criminalise all crime, that way there would be no crime and we would not need a police force - with the reduced tax bill we could afford to buy more drugs?

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Originally posted by andy c:

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ISTR she was wearing her vest, but the round hit beneath the lower edge.

M,
they are designed to be worn with a compromise for folk sitting in cars. In reality you could issue 2, one for car drivers/passengers etc etc and one for foot patrol cops.

I know - I have one!

andy c!

And then you might have to consider knife proof ones that are better against knives but not too good against guns. I trust people to pick the right kit for the job and hope that their choice is not hindered by bugetry constraints.

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I trust people to pick the right kit for the job and hope that their choice is not hindered by bugetry constraints.

Do you know a lot about the public sector?

According to an article on the Danish radio the materials already exist to offer high protection from both knives and bullets without reducing mobility. The makers perfected their materials and workmanship in South America. Where murder was a daily feature of their lives. Failure would be very costly to the manufacturers! So the cost to the customer is also very high.

I can't help feeling that the police (and armies policing hostile environments) should be equipped with ready means of disabling violent threats non-lethally.

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Originally posted by andy c:

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I trust people to pick the right kit for the job and hope that their choice is not hindered by bugetry constraints.

Do you know a lot about the public sector?

I listen to Blair and others saying that the police, security forces and others will be given the right tools for the job. I pay my taxes towards funding his commitments yet every now and then the news paints a picture that Blair might not acknowledge or indeed recognize.

So "Do I know about the public sector?" No, but I can guess that you can't keep serving slices from the cake because you are going to run out of cake long before you run out of people needing a slice

Roy,

your last bit was v apt!

andy c!

Mike,

I don't believe there is any point in continuing this.

We clearly have very different opinions.

But I think your use of two pictures of human beings on fire to make a point on an Internet forum is sick.

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Because you view freedom of speech as being of overriding importance, and are unable to counter my suggestion that it is reasonable to infer from that view, that you'd give airtime to eg. paedophiles.

Freedom of speech and expression should be of overriding importance to everyone, but how is it "Reasonable to infer" that my support of free speech equals support of an illegal act?

"The pictures where widely published."

I would like to see those pictures on display in every recruiting office in England.

I never really went through all the replies on this subject, but it was interesting all the same. I love to scan websites and this one reminded me very much of the BNP site. I am not a member but I do feel some empathy with them,thats if you look carefully at what is said on their site. Theydo not hate black people just because they are black,but they do hate white people who allow a situation to get to were it stands today. That is in some parts of the country English people are almost second class. Then again what about the black family who had their son brutally murdered by Joey BARTONS brother. A born again christian at a service with his white friends and ends up with an axe in the head. The people who did this would probably say yeah but wot about all the black killers on the streets. At the end of the day Im glad I just left England,it really is a very violent country and nothing seems to get done about it. If you try to discuss the matter you are looked upon as a racist.

I see rachel has been released from hospital this morning. Apparently she apologised to colleagues for not catching the gunman, deespite her injuries.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13510510,00.html

Good on her, and I hope she makes a full recovery.

Andy c!

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At the end of the day Im glad I just left England

Ah yes to that paragon of peace and racial equality that is Northern Ireland.


Jonathan

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Imagine its 1940. Dunkirk, bombs etc.

Wasn't that the time where soldiers were defending their country and not acting as an occupying force? Hardly the same scenario, so not really a fair comparison.

I agree that soldiers do not make good policemen - so why use them in such a role? The press do not do the troops reputation any good by showing 'excessive force' dramas on their front pages (although I've seen worse in Aldershot), however this sells papers and there are many Sun and News of the World readers who buy them and click through their websites generating ad revenue for such sensationalism. If you don't like it, don't buy their stories or vist their websites.

Whilst I do not agreee that any soldier deserves to be burnt or shot, it is my understanding that the British and US armies are not conscripts and all soldiers are aware that it is a possibility that this could happen to them if they join up. It is a job - a job with the risk of dire consequences.

One of the fundamental corner stones of democracy (a word often used loosely by certain government leaders) is the freedom of speech. When you start to put limitations on it, it can no longer be called 'freedom' (no matter how repugnant it may be to others). You either embrace it for what it stands for or you don't.

The problem is that the troops are being used in a role that is alien to them imo, the job of the army had always been to go in do the kill and secure the area, the present situation is not what our troops are trained for, speaking from experience.
I said at the time that iraq would prove to be another northern ireland, and nothing since has changed my view.
Imo the peace in ireland has been bought by tony bliar talking to the terrorists, one thing he can be proud of? after years of us saying we would never negotiate, body bag after body bag coming back to the uk, the stiff british resolve is smashed by one man.
Yes you do know what you're signing up to, but you're not trained as a peacekeeper, to stand there your finger over the trigger, unable to react when a concrete block smashes against a colleagues head, yes there are rules of engagement, but when the shit hits the fan you're suddenly alone defending your actions, which in the full flow of war you would not have to.
Freedom of speech? it seems to be being killed as every day passes, unable to call a " blackboard " what it in actual fact is!
There are plenty more examples, but lets look at the definition of freedom of speech.
freedom
noun
1 [C or U] the condition or right of being able or allowed to do, say, think, etc. whatever you want to, without being controlled or limited:


I think that sums up how I see it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Van the man:
The problem is that the troops are being used in a role that is alien to them imo, the job of the army had always been to go in do the kill and secure the area, the present situation is not what our troops are trained for, speaking from experience.


Yes you do know what you're signing up to, but you're not trained as a peacekeeper, to stand there your finger over the trigger, unable to react when a concrete block smashes against a colleagues head, yes there are rules of engagement, but when the shit hits the fan you're suddenly alone defending your actions, which in the full flow of war you would not have to.

Dear VTM,

The British Army is enormously experienced and trained in the peacekeeping role and is probably more experienced and more able in this role than any other army in the world. Training is always on-going in this area. I am not sure you will find a soldier unwiling or unable to react to seeing a collegue have his brains dashed out by a concrete block. ROE cover any such eventuality and these are consistantly drummed into everyone. Peacekeeping is very much a secondary role but the Army is trained and skilled in it. It is not taught in basic training but it is taught before shipping out to Iraq and taught thereafter on a continuous on-going basis.

Regards,

Erik

Taking aside the acts of terrorism which blighted Northern Ireland, it is still a very peaceful country with friendly people. Muggins,burglary theft rape assaults and drug related offences are few and far between. However it could not really be called a Multicultural society the black and asian population are very thin on the ground,probably due to high unemployment.