Charles Kennedy "I am having a ***"

I have to say that the 'jumping on the bandwagon' that has accompanied this smoking curfew has almost tempted me to take up smoking - particularly as our wonderful HR department in work have implemented a "No Smoking Ban" which I read to mean a requirement that we all smoke!!

Whilst I agree with the sentiment of no smoking, I find the way people are implementing it to be more than a little irritating!!

Peter

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Originally posted by northpole:
I have to say that the 'jumping on the bandwagon' that has accompanied this smoking curfew has almost tempted me to take up smoking [...]
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of no smoking, I find the way people are implementing it to be more than a little irritating!!

Isn't it stupid? And I wonder which salad-munching moron had the bright idea of banning smoking in pubs?! Why not go the whole hog and ban drinking too?

By the way, I neither drink nor smoke, but I can see that pubs are very obviously businesses founded to provide a premises in which people who do drink and smoke can... um ... drink and smoke! It's a bit like banning weight-lifting in the gym! Ban smoking in the office by all means - it is anyway - but in the bloody pub?!

I'm sorely tempted to buy a pack of twenty, go to my local hostelry, and find out what I've been missing. I'll be in good company - the landlord once told me c. 80 % of his customers smoke and many site that as the one of the main reasons for visiting his pub!

The powers that be need shafting up the bum with a red hot poker I'm afraid.

EW

Chaps

The banning of smoking in pubs is long overdue. I affect no one when I drink my beer but the guy smoking across the room is making everyone elses clothes stink and it is plain bloody selfish.

We will all consider this perfectly normal this time next year anyway.

Regards

Mick

If you're in a non-smoker in a pub you have to accept you're very probably in the minority.

Get pissed at home if you don't like it.

Banning smoking in pubs is just as fatuous as banning sex in a brothel. It's what they're there for!

Earwicker

You are backing a loser, smoking in public buildings is history. Accept it and move on.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
You are backing a loser, smoking in public buildings is history. Accept it and move on.

I'm backing (against the odds!) common sense, not smoking. Personally I don't give a rat's ass - I don't smoke. People who frequent pubs generally do smoke, however, and the idea of banning them from doing so is the kind of ridiculous nanny-state legislation that gets right up my snot-box. To the extent that I'd like to buy a packet of twenty and take it up!!

EW

I have to say that the few nights I've had in town since they banned smoking in pubs here (all workplaces actually) I felt much better when I got home and the next day. I'd got so familiar with the effects of other peoples' smoking that when it was suddenly gone I was astonished. I thought pubs made my head feel like that and my clothing smell like that - but all along it was the bloody smokers!

Dont know about England,but the reason for banning smoking in pubs in Ireland is nothing to do with smoke being blown in your'e face,clothes smelling ect..If a member of staff in unfortunate enough to contact lung cancer ect.,they or their dependants will sue the ass of the pub owner.The insurance companies then took cold feet and thus we have a smoking ban.
George

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People who frequent pubs generally do smoke, however, and the idea of banning them from doing so is the kind of ridiculous nanny-state legislation that gets right up my snot-box.

You must enjoy being in a minority with that logic EW. The reason pubs were mainly frequented by smokers is because they were so smokily unpleasant to be in.

It'll take a while but if Ireland is anything to go by, there is no clamour to bring it back I assure you.

Steve

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Originally posted by Steve S1:
The reason pubs were mainly frequented by smokers is because they were so smokily unpleasant to be in.

Possibly. I don't really care to be honest - I am generally irritated by the number of things the powers that be want to ban, however. People can smoke in the pub for me - provided they refrain in restaurants, offices, concert halls... well, in all the places where it was effectively banned anyway.

EW

My company sent through two days a 'commitment to a smoke free environment.'

I thought this amusing that they would commit after a ban is put in place by Law. I also found it amusing as its a catering company, and every one of its contracts has kitchens.

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Originally posted by Earwicker:Banning smoking in pubs is just as fatuous as banning sex in a brothel. It's what they're there for!

No

If this was the case they'd sell fags over the counter.

Pubs are for drinking.

Its all about choice at the end of the day.

Yes some people associate drinking with smoking, but now, these people can f*ck off outside, and preferbly not at the door way - so that I and many others dont have to hold our breath whilst walking past.

I am all for the ban 100%, in fact, I would ban it from everywhere apart from peoples own homes.

Despite being the most expensive way to kill yourself, it also stinks, I am fed up of walking behind some scumbag in the street who exhales all this sh*t out into my path.

My local has installed heaters outside so the nicotine addicts can smoke outside in the warm. However, the large windows and doors are left open and the stench still drifts back into the pub.

It's almost as laughable as pols wearing hard hats, bibs, goggles and hairnets under a tent in a middle of a field cutting leaves of celery.

This is a health and safety gone loopy loo.

There should be smokers pubs and non-smokers pubs. It's not hard now is it.

Regards, Steve

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Originally posted by Right Wing:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:Banning smoking in pubs is just as fatuous as banning sex in a brothel. It's what they're there for!

No

If this was the case they'd sell fags over the counter.

Pubs are for drinking.

Hmm, you see if so many people were deterred from patronising their locals by a stinking minority of individuals puffing away up the corner, then one would expect landlords to have banned smoking on their premises some time ago in order to make more money; the fact that this didn't happen suggests that the clientèle tended to be smokers.

Incidentally, many pubs did sell fags over the counter and also from vending machines on the premises. Like I say, I don't smoke so I don't really give a rat-poo, but I suspect we'll see pubs going out of business because people can't smoke while they get quietly crapulous after a day's work; they'll probably have one out the fridge and light up in the front room.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
they'll probably have one out the fridge and light up in the front room.
EW

Saving me money already. Pubs for me are now dead. I will not smoke outside the pub like a bleedin school kid unless it's a joint.

Aka pre-rolled joints. Thats what everyone i know is doing and did/does anyway, so it makes no odds to us.

regards, steve

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:
There should be smokers pubs and non-smokers pubs. It's not hard now is it.

Indeed. That's exactly the way it should be. Although as I say, the fact that no one opened a non-smoking pub is diagnostic of the fact that pub goers generally tend to smoke! (Ergo the money was in permitting them to do so.)

Anyway, our rulers (bless their righteous asses!) have decreed that we shall not smoke because it is really bad for us etc. So that's it.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Anyway, our rulers (bless their righteous asses!) have decreed that we shall not smoke because it is really bad for us etc. So that's it.
EW

And so is eating margarine.

The *Real* health scare in this country is obesity, something i will never suffer from or watching TV for that matter.

My rant over and back to the music. Just about to spin some Joe Gibbs Compilation albums on the olde vinyl.

Regards, Steve

Charles Kennedy for PM, I say! Churchill was the tops as well! Fredrik

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

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Originally posted by Right Wing:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:Banning smoking in pubs is just as fatuous as banning sex in a brothel. It's what they're there for!

No

If this was the case they'd sell fags over the counter.

Pubs are for drinking.

Hmm, you see if so many people were deterred from patronising their locals by a stinking minority of individuals puffing away up the corner, then one would expect landlords to have banned smoking on their premises some time ago in order to make more money; the fact that this didn't happen suggests that the clientèle tended to be smokers.

Incidentally, many pubs did sell fags over the counter and also from vending machines on the premises. Like I say, I don't smoke so I don't really give a rat-poo, but I suspect we'll see pubs going out of business because people can't smoke while they get quietly crapulous after a day's work; they'll probably have one out the fridge and light up in the front room.

EW

Apart from the fact that bothels are illegal EW . . . .

What is your point?

At the end of the day, its banned, thank f*ck as it stinks.

Tax it to death and ban it everywhere.

Why should non smokers be put off from going to a pub?

They shouldnt, simple as.

Smokers wanting to smoke . . . my advice for them is simple, F... O.. and smoke in your own home.

1 in 5 people smoke, so who really is the minority?

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Anyway, our rulers (bless their righteous asses!) have decreed that we shall not smoke because it is really bad for us etc. So that's it.
EW

And so is eating margarine.
Regards, Steve

What the hell are you on about ?

If I had margarine forced down my throat then yes I would have a problem, some people choose to eat marg others not, where was the choice for non smokers to not have carcinogens forced into their lungs if they fancied a pint down pub?

You loser.

I am certain that EW does not smoke, which may make you reconsider the comment that he is a looser in spite of disagreeing with him on this!

The nanny state has got out of control. There are nice pubs anyone could go into before the legal ban where smoking was not allowed by the management. That seems fair enough to me, and the outright ban, a step too far in the direction of nanny knows best Politically Correct madness. But then I wish I was forty years older or dead in respect of the way things are going in so many aspects nowadays. You can call me a looser if you like!

[Smiley]. Fredrik

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Originally posted by Right Wing:
What is your point?
[...]
1 in 5 people smoke, so who really is the minority?

The point is that in a lot of pubs that ratio is probably the other way round.

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Originally posted by Right Wing:
If I had margarine forced down my throat then yes I would have a problem, some people choose to eat marg others not, where was the choice for non smokers to not have carcinogens forced into their lungs if they fancied a pint down pub?

I don't see why a pub full of smokers should be made to extinguish their cigarettes for my convenience. What happened to democracy and freedom and all that? (This is my point!) If there was such a market for smoke-free public houses, then people would have been opening them for years in order to make money, exploiting this widespread offense felt by all those oppressed, non-smoking pub-goers at having to drink in the presence of other people's tobacco smoke; it's hard not to notice that this didn't happen! This ban has been imposed on landlords by a bunch of interfering scrubbers who should be dipped in jam and exposed to angry wasps!! And if, as I suspect, this legislation originated in the EU, then it has been imposed on us by a bunch of UNELECTED interfering bumhole-pokers who should be tied to a chair and smoked at until they drown in their own offense!!

I don't smoke. I don't have any particular desire to extend my life, but while I am alive I dislike being ill and I try to keep fit. With one thing or another - including fees for a second degree - I probably couldn't afford to smoke anyway. There it is. That's my choice. And for those people griping about the effects on their health of all the 2nd hand cigarette smoke they've been forced to inhale, well, I don't know of many people who go to the pub in order to improve their health! Drinking's pretty bad for you at anything over 4 units a day (which is less than 2 pints of decent ale), and you won't have time to inhale a harmful amount of other people's smoke in the time it takes you to drink 1.5 pints!

Don't encourage these unhinged legislating morons. You don't know what they'll ban next.

EW

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Originally posted by Right Wing:

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Anyway, our rulers (bless their righteous asses!) have decreed that we shall not smoke because it is really bad for us etc. So that's it.
EW

And so is eating margarine.
Regards, Steve

What the hell are you on about ?

If I had margarine forced down my throat then yes I would have a problem, some people choose to eat marg others not, where was the choice for non smokers to not have carcinogens forced into their lungs if they fancied a pint down pub?

You loser.

name calling er?

She bites well this one.

I don't know for sure, but i would imagine the biggest killers in this country are booze and heart decease.

Drink kills alot more innocent people than smoking, even all the drugs put together.

I know nobody who has ever died of passive smoking. I know quite a few who have died through drink. This is the real innocence Killer!

In my pub last night, everyone smoked bar two people, still it was nice to talk and meet people by breaking the ice with ' you gotta light?'

It will be hair nets on a building site next.

Regards, Steve