Most of you (hopefully) have read the 'PRAT vs Pitch Accurate' thread in the hifi corner.
It is hilarious to watch the various posters slug it out.
Most of all was Adam Meredith's little dig at the beloved Central for putting apostrophes in every plural.
So in the interests of our Beloved Language I would like to be a uptight twat and explain how apostrophes actually work.
DON'TsDon't put an apostrophe in a plural!
E.G. (for example - not i.e. which stands for 'that is')
One dog, two dogs (not dog's)
One 250, two 250s (passively biamped not recommended)
quote:
DOs
(not to be confused with DOS - Disc Operating System)
DO put an apostrophe in a possessive!
e.g.
Adam's sense of humour (the sense of humour belonging to Adam)
the dog's bollocks (if you had two dogs, that would be the 'dogs' bollocks'
If the prpoer noun ends in an 'S' there is no need to dd a second 'S'
e.g. Jesus' cloak
Do put an apostrophe in a contraction!
Cannot - Can't
Do not - Don't
How's that fellas?
Posted on: 08 May 2005 by Earwicker
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Originally posted by J.N.:
Standards of grammar, spelling and punctuation are falling.
I work with young people who produce some gems. We had the colour 'Carkey' on a document the other day.
Mobile phone texting encourages lazy grammar and spelling, and most people have the option of using a spell checker on PC generated documents.
I guess the high standards demanded (and corrected!) in the written work I did at school, are sadly a thing of the past?
Another example of society 'dumbing down'? Just compare the old and current versions of the TV programme 'Ask The Family'.
The current moronic pile of shite says it all really.
John.
I agree entirely. Just read through this thread: everything worth an intellectual damn is scorned, everything that is piss-poor and not worth a dog-fart is "cool".
Generally, I think standards in basic education have fallen below a critical threshold, such that the situation is beyond retrieval. I dread to think/imagine what the future holds.
EW
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by domfjbrown
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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
This is not most other fora, this is the place Champagne Drinking Middle Aged Yuppies Post their wares JOhn, innit.
HOW ON EARTH can a yuppie (young and upwardly mobile person) be middle-aged FFS?
Now THAT'S pedantry - I mean, if you're middle-aged, you're not a yuppie! Grrrr.
As for text-speak mobile SMSing etc., it winds me up incessantly; why bother teaching languages at school AT ALL if no-one can be arsed to punctuate and use grammar correctly?
As an English Lit. A Level holder (doesn't always show admittedly!) mis-use of apostrophes and similar winds me up no end. I bet someone'll correct MY post somewhere along the line here though
(I can live with smileys, but that's the only concession to txtspk I'll make!).
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by Berlin Fritz
50 is the new 20 Dear Boy, haven't you heard ? and we can hardly go around calling them Muppy's now can we ?
Fritz Von I sat A level English Lit too, but I remind you the only requirement to enter that (language & grammar wise) exam was/is ? O Level English Language, Grade C & above, or whatever old bullshit they've decided to disguise them as these days Clive ?
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by domfjbrown
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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
50 is the new 20 Dear Boy, haven't you heard ? and we can hardly go around calling them Muppy's now can we ?
Muppy - love it
As for O (aka GCSE) level English, got a B 8 months early - nicely! Shame about the A Level coursework (E) but managed to blag a C (still don't know how). Never was an A grade student - seemed pointless going the extra mile when a B would do. Call it lazy - I do!
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by jayd
Three pages and no mention of Zappa?
I believe he said that the apostrophe is... the crux of the matter.
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by Marcopolovitch
I am amazed that in three pages nobody has spotted Joe 90's original mistake. Sorry, but it is not Jesus' cloak, it is Jesus's cloak. One drops the 'S' after the apostrophe only if its subject is plural. Eg St James's Park (check the underground map) - London Transport has always been fastidious about this stuff.
Posted on: 10 May 2005 by jayd
Strunk and White's The Elements of Style lists Jesus among their exceptions to the rule of "always form the possessive singular by adding 's regardless of the final consonant". Other exeptions include Moses, Isis, etc., i.e., things they term "ancient proper names".
Not the last word, but still a well respected reference guide. 'Spect it's a matter of style preference rather than dogma, that one.