Experience with Quad ESL63's
Posted by: DJH on 02 November 2003
I finally tracked down a pair of Quad ESL63's (through ebay!), and managed to get them set up yesterday. First impressions are extremely favourable - they are a gigantic leap forward from my Ruark Templars in the treble and mid-range - there is a palpable sense of reality to the music, in the timbre and realism of instruments, in the response to transients and the decay of notes, and also in the soundstaging. It all adds up to a lot of music, not hifi, and for the price I paid, even with air freight from Europe to Singapore included, they are a bargain. (Rather better, I think, than new Martin Logans, which would have cost nearly twice as much). Quad recommends amplifiers with output between 50 - 100 watts - well, my Pathos at 35 watts seems to be handling the load without any stress.
The one area of concern I have is the bass - there is more than I had expected, but it could be described as boomy (which I understand is not uncommon). What stands are available, and do they work - I have read mixed reports on Arcici's for example. Would a custom pair of Mana soundbases do the trick - they certainly had a dramatic effect on my Ruarks, and I'm tempted to try, but would appreciate any help from those who have experience with these speakers about how to deal with this.
Many thanks
David
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by onlythat
I would not use a stand for the Quad. I used to own 63's and I got talked in to buying Arcici's by some dealer.
Terrible. They took all the life out of them and most of the bass.
Made them sound like a giant table radio.
They need to be on the floor. That's where they were designed to be and that's where they should reside, IMO.
David
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by Peter C
Quads are fussy about placement, but get it right and they sing; in the bass area too.
Bass boom means you've still yet to find the best place to site them. Try giving them more space from the wall behind
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by Paul Ranson
ESL63 is designed to use the floor to reinforce the bass. OTOH I think lifting them up isn't necessarily bad. Try a pile of magazines or books just to see... I have an old pair of Isobarik stands standing by for this purpose.
It may be worth just tilting them back a little. Again improvisation is the way here....
You can move them in close to side walls, but the space behind is critical. Try sound absorbing or dispersing stuff in the area behind the speakers, and I think that a large area of glass would be very bad.
IMLE 'rigidity' isn't critical with these speakers, there is no great mass wobbling about so the normal 'rules' of spikes and stuff are varied.
Amp power should be considered in terms of voltage, you can use no more than 40v since the protection circuits will simply chop the top off the waveform. This is roughly 80-90Watts into 8 Ohms. I think the load in normal use is not particularly unpleasant, the issue is if you have an older version that crowbars the input when it gets close to ignition. This short circuiting action can damage some amps. The newer (post 92?) ESL63s have a resettable trip, I think. It's possible that in Singapore the climate will make arcing more likely than here in the UK, I've never had mine trip.
Paul
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by Onthlam
David:
I used 63s for 18 years before buying DBLS.
It does take a wee bit of time to get it right but when you do-OH BOY!!
What I am about to suggest is what I had done to my system to optimize the Quads. Before I even get into it, I will tell you that you will simply be amazed by the difference.Your ability to THINK that if you would reach out your hand, you would touch any one of the players you are hearing...I am not kidding.
True,there are folks who like and dislike Arcici. I happen to like them. I put #7.5 lead shot in them and found that the extra weight and rigidity was a plus. The Arcici gets them off the floor so you can do the next step...
Have the input on your amp crossed at 40 HZ...
This will give your amp plenty of breathing room. Next, go on Audiogone or E-Bay and get yourself one or two Sunfire true subs...
These subs are bipolar and work great with Quads.
I did this when I had an 82 and a 250..
I can not spluge enough on this. It was that good!!
If you think this an idea that you want to look further into? Let me know. I could draw up the setup and all that stuff........
Regards,
Marc
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by DJH
Marc; very interested to know more!
TIA, David
Posted on: 02 November 2003 by Onthlam
David,
E-mail me at onthlam@rcsis.com
We will get you on the path to nervana...
Marc