Richard Dawkins planning to have Pope Benedict arrested over 'crimes against humanity

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We appear to have our wires crossed.

Maybe so.

Goodnight

By all kinds of standards the Pope is a very minor offender on this score (covering up crime). These things are dreadful but they are not unique to the Catholic Church. Insomuch as they do happen within the church he has very little personal blame - he has not(as far as we know)ever been accused of abusing children himself or procurring children for abuse. He is only guilty (or so we assume)of covering up these crimes. A sense of perspective is needed (as ever) and as ever this is not being supplied by Mongo who still owes JWM a manly apology imo.

I would have him tried as a full blown Nuremburg criminal for his policies on birth control (the Pope not Mongo). It is a crime under international law to deprive entire populations of the resources they need for a tolerably flourishing life. In the context of the Nuremburg tribunal this meant the privation of food and medicine. But in a time of exploding population growth contraceptives can easily be included. Under the Nuremburg indictment he is a capital offender, and if those standards were applied to him he would be hanged. The suffering this man and his predecessor has caused is incalculable - millions of orphans, deformities, AIDS, starvation....I would not want him hanged and have him turned into a martyr but I would have him working in Africa with kids born with terrible deformities because their mothers knowing they could not feed their child resorted to various methods of attempted abortion and children born with HIV, children who are nothing but skin and bone. I would rub his nose in their suffering till the day he dies. Him and all his twisted and deluded ilk.

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A sense of perspective is needed (as ever) and as ever this is not being supplied by Mongo who still owes JWM a manly apology imo.

Balls!

My courteous, long reflected upon reply.

Cheers, Paul.

''A sense of perspective is needed (as ever)''

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I would rub his nose in their suffering till the day he dies. Him and all his twisted and deluded ilk.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sniper:
By all kinds of standards the Pope is a very minor offender on this score (covering up crime). These things are dreadful but they are not unique to the Catholic Church. Insomuch as they do happen within the church he has very little personal blame - he has not(as far as we know)ever been accused of abusing children himself or procurring children for abuse. He is only guilty (or so we assume)of covering up these crimes.
QUOTE]for a man in his position with his so called beliefs covering up for perversion against children makes him as guilty as the perpetrators even more so.

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Originally posted by 151:

QUOTE]for a man in his position with his so called beliefs covering up for perversion against children makes him as guilty as the perpetrators even more so.

I am no expert in law but I doubt this is so.

i havent got a lot of faith in the law, morally if i new of children being abused and said or did nothing, nevermind covering things up, i would not be able to live with myself maybe theres something wrong with me,or maybe its that popes have no morals.

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He is only guilty (or so we assume)of covering up these crimes.

100% correct 151
In those days it was standard catholic church practice (corporate policy) to protect the church & all its people - right or wrong is not the question, that's how it was in those days. Cardinal Ratzinger was only carrying out the corporate policy.

I am not condoning whatever or supporting the Pope or his church, but lets all get realistic about this, times have changed.
As have public hangings, deportation, prison for nothing other than looking like a criminal & unmarried mothers forced into workhouses. These were all considered normal & the moral right way in the 1800's.
I was brung up in a catholic church school. Corporal punishment was almost a daily event, sometimes in front of the whole class or even the whole school. Discipline through simple fear, but that was the way it was done in those days.
Did it do me any harm?? not that I can see. But it did make me realise most of the christianity stuff was a load of bollox & I am now happy being an atheist & follow the Earth Mother ways of life.

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Originally posted by Sniper:
Mongo who still owes JWM a manly apology imo.

A Manly apology?

Dream on; he is one of those sad blokes who confuses yapping with informed comment. Golf club bore with his own special glass for his half of mild, wondering why nobody in the Whippet and Flat Cap talks to him.

give it a rest mick, anyway i thougt mongo was on your ignore list you got a funny way of showing it.

Mick?

Are you talking to me again? If so, "its "Mike".

Mong O is on my "ignore" list but the comment to which I replied was actually by Sniper.

The clue to that is where it says "Originally posted by Sniper:"

HTH

Mark.

its mongo not mong O the clue is in all of his posts.so you can talk about him but not to him thats not very MANLY mick.

the first test of humanity handbag grabs telephone and shoutingly mauve; bulbous - and tear-drop shaped. Fast and bulbous,The Mascara Kid. Qua qua qua esse in posse.

I was referring to a comment made by somebody else. I have no doubt that your chum is having wee digs at me; this is one reason why he is one my "ignore" list, that and the fact that regardless of having very little to say, he says it a great deal.

Empty vessels, etc.

oh dear, pot and kettle etc


i do notice a
lot of pot and kettle in many of your posts.

Have a good evening, One hundred and fifty one.

you talking to me mick

A good, passionate speech by Stephen Fry:

Fry on the Catholic Church

Smart guy.

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Originally posted by Mike Lacey:

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Originally posted by Sniper:
Mongo who still owes JWM a manly apology imo.

A Manly apology?

Dream on; he is one of those sad blokes who confuses yapping with informed comment. Golf club bore with his own special glass for his half of mild, wondering why nobody in the Whippet and Flat Cap talks to him.

A golf club in Jarra Mick?

I'm not a yorkshireman.

I drink vodka, or at a push, wine.

Would i be 'Manly' if I posted a picture of myself in fatigues and a weapon in my hands?

Is that a Man mick? Or a closet mincer?

Hugs and kisses (when no one's watching, of course), Paul.

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Originally posted by droodzilla:
A good, passionate speech by Stephen Fry:

Fry on the Catholic Church

Smart guy.

Thanks for that link.

That was exceptional. Passionat, as ytou say and as honest a speech as I've seen.

Top man.

I think that is the best argument I have heard for many a long day.

Could we have him as PM please?

Fry as PM?

They US voted for another comedian: Mr Reagan.

Surely we are not that daft, are we?

ATB from George

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Surely we are not that daft, are we?

We're not???? Just look back.
SF could never as wrong as 99% of previous incumbents.

If we ever elected a thesbian, I would be on the next ferry out. That is all I can say!

He is an actor! He is paid for sounding genuine! He is quite possibly good enough to take many people in much of the time ...Not me though. I laugh at his humour, but to believe he believes a word he says would be naive IMO. He has well paid script writers. As a politician he would be a complete pupet.

George

Hi George.

Where did you get the notion that he was taking people in?

I've seldom seen more genuine passion and concern for others.

George,
You're surely not saying an actor can't also be an intelligent, caring person. FFS one of our leading physicists, who occasionally visits this board, was once keyboard player with a pop band. It's possible to be good at more than one thing.