Turntablists everywhere

Posted by: redeye on 02 November 2001

What to do, What to do
Need vinyl back in my life and soon. recently listened to a CDX plus Xps versus LP12, Aro, Fr combo. Holy Crap!!!!
We are kidding ourselves people -- CD is not beautiful, not even via Naim
Is the Rega P25 the bomb or a complete pile??

Cheers,
Redeye

Posted on: 02 November 2001 by redeye

Okay, fair enough. One small point tho'-- I live in New Zealand and options for t/table purchases are thin on the ground. What about the P9?? Better or same ole same ole?

Redeye

Posted on: 02 November 2001 by Mike Sae

I'm not sure why ppl think the P25 is the stinker of the bunch. Theories?

IMO the P9 is the best source in existence, it's in a class of its own. The P9 is like being front and centre. It's like being on a roller coaster- exhilirating, inspiring and terrifying. You want the ride to end out of instinctual self-preservation, but when it does you want more.

If someone threw me in a room a la The Prisoner and made me choose between the CDSII and P9, I'd choose the P9. Failing that, I'd take the CDSII, sell it and buy four P9s.

Note- A new, radically updated P9 is due end of the year. You should be able to get a smoking deal on a 2nd hand P9 when the new one comes out.

Posted on: 02 November 2001 by Jay

Why don't you listen to the P25 first instead of listening to other folks well mean meaning but incomparable opinions.

I have one and enjoy it.

Jay

Posted on: 02 November 2001 by redeye

Jay,
Well yes indeed! Trust another Kiwi to point out the screamingly obvious! Reason I asked is I have listened already and was underwhelmed. What you use for source with CD I wonder?

Fixed Grin,

Redeye

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by John C

But you should consider the wonderful Nottingham Analogue Spacedeck which certainly doesnt. Better than those mentioned (except maybe the Lp12/Aro or P9, I'd like to do that comparison). I disagree completely on the Rega P25 vs Audionote comparison. The P25 is superior in every way but obviously this must come down to personal musical preferences.(I dont think they are making the TT1 any longer??)

John

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Craig B

If the AN TT1 (which I haven't heard) sounds anything like its illustrious predecessor, the Systemdek IIX (of which I have had two), then I would say that one would be very polarised in their opinion of the sound of the TT1 vs. the P25.

The IIX had an (old) LP12 on the cheap, sort of warm inviting sound, while the P25 is lean to a fault and built for speed. If I may offer an analogy, the P25 is like that cute, but somewhat egotistical, aerobic instructor with the killer body, at the health club...a brick shit house with no heater in it, on a cold winter day. But man what a shitter!

As much as I love Rega TTs, I have often felt that the P25 doesn't offer quite enough of a difference over the P3 2000 to warrant the additional investment. If Rega were to have made the P25 an upgradeable (to P9) product, then I would think differently about its value. As it is, it seems that it's sound quality is not a whole lot better than that of a P3 2000, but a lot less than that of a P9. I would jump straight to P9, were I considering upgrading from P3.

Jay has the right idea. Spend some time listening to the available choices, at home if possible, before jumping back in.

Craig

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Andrew Randle

Get an LP12, one less problem to worry about!

Andrew

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Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Jay

quote:

Well yes indeed! Trust another Kiwi to point out the screamingly obvious! Reason I asked is I have listened already and was underwhelmed. What you use for source with CD I wonder?
Fixed Grin,

Screamingly obvious? If you'd listened to one and was unimpressed then why didn't you say so (or have a missed something here?).

No-one's opinion here's going to change your impression that it's crap. You're just gonna get "I think it's good" vs "I think it's crap". Suppose I was just bluntly pointing out that it's your cash and you should listen and decide for yourself.

I'm not sure I follow you in your second sentence? Could you clarify? I don't want to get into trouble with another Kiwi

Jay

[This message was edited by Jay on SATURDAY 03 November 2001 at 23:44.]

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Jay

quote:

CD is a temporary glitch in the history of music reproduction

couldn't agree with you more but I'd add "....quality music reproduction"

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and is best ignored

not if you have over 500 odd CD's it ain't!

Jay

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by redeye

Jay,
God forbid that two Kiwis should have a snarling match on the forum! But a forum it is -- Why would you even bother turning up if not interested in the opinions of others. I notice you've posted plenty in the past.....

Redeye

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Jay

Ah ha.

Posted on: 03 November 2001 by Steve Toy

...is somewhere between a CD5 and a CDX in terms of dynamics.
It times, and does pitch of notes beautifully, and is a lot better than a P3.
It is obviously not as good as an LP12, but it is reduced in ferrous/other sound-degrading metals, and so is not going to degrade the sound of your CD player by just sitting there...
Do the demos, and decide for yourself.
At the LP12 standard you have the P9 - which I haven't heard yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so soon.
Never mind the theories, just enjoy the experiences!

It's always a nice day for it Have a good one!
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal.

Posted on: 04 November 2001 by Top Cat

...I'd have to plump for the LP12 every time. The P9 is a great deck, no question, but it's a bit too 'brittle' sounding - and therefore loses a bit in the musicality department. The LP12 doesn't quite have the same PRaT capability (to my ears) but does have the musicality thing down to a tee...

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 04 November 2001 by Alco

Man, you Britisch guys sure are lucky bastards

Here in Holland a s/h LP very occasionally shows up on the s/h market. If they do they're more then 2 or sometimes 3 times the price of a Planar3.
There's a store in Holland that offers a s/h LP12/Akito/K18 (3years old,they say) for about 1200,- UKP.

There's also an LP12/Ittok in Afro for sale for about 900,- UKP at a very good analog-expert in my area. Is this a fair price ?

I also owned a Planar3 once. it was easy to set up and sounded just fine but didn't even came close to the Linn Axis.
(with same Grado Black cartridge)

Greetings, Y'all
Alco