The end of civilisation as we know it? RIP Glyndebourne.

At least it was not in Salzburg! I have been a tremendous admirer of the work done at Glyndebourne for a very long time, but if this is what it is comming to, then I guess my first visit will postponed indefinately...

Oh dear...

Fredrik

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Oh dear...

Fredrik

Oh dear indeed. I bought a video documentary yesterday in a charity shop(originally shown on channel4)about the construction of the new building at Glyndebourne and I though how beautiful the grounds were and what a shame I have not been for years so today I thought I would see how much the tickets were and pop over but now I see the orcs have invaded Rivendell I shall be sure to go only after exorcism has taken place.

Given what I have heard about last year's Tangier Tattoo, I fail to see how they could manage much worse.

Sadly, I had to pass up an option to see Fidelio there this year.

regards, Tam

Let's not be too hasty, now ... after all, West Side Story was pretty damn good.

Fred

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Let's not be too hasty, now ... after all, West Side Story was pretty damn good.

Fred


Fred,

Yes, absolutely. West side story is my favourite musical (closely followed by The King and I)but NOT Greese - totally repellent dross in my not very humble view. As for Hip Hopera? I can't bare to think about it. I'm ashamed to say hiphop and noise of that ilk just winds me up, I find it unbearably and offensively ugly. Oh dear, what is the world coming to?

Cheers Fred

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
As for Hip Hopera? I can't bare to think about it.

Keep your clothes on, Erik, it's not as bad as all that!

Fred

Dear Fred,

What was your opinion of the ELO version of Mozart's Fortieth [First Movement]?

Somehow this sounds even less appealing than that was, to me.

Fredrik

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Fred,

What was your opinion of the ELO version of Mozart's Fortieth [First Movement]?

Never heard it, don't particularly want to.

I'm not a big ELO fan, and in general, I'm not partial to the marriage of classical and rock. Classical and jazz sometimes meld well, but quite often don't.

I prefer stews in which the ingredients are assimilated to the extent that you can't tell where one begins and the other ends.

I'm also not a big fan of hip-hop and rap, largely because what moves me most in music is melody and harmony, neither of which are significant components of that genre.

Fred

Hang on a moment, chaps. The hip hop Cosi is part of Glyndebourne's out of season outreach programme. It's not in the Festival 2006 programme - which does include the Mozart/da Ponte original.

Fredrik, do try to break your Glyndebourne 'duck' soon. I've seen Figaro and Magic Flute there in the last few years, and both were superb.

Graham

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
.... Greese - totally repellent dross in my not very humble view ....

Agreed - it is truly awful I can only think of one musical film that I detest more and that has to be 'Saturday Night Fever'.

As for Hip Hopera, I've never heard any and I hope I never will. Mrs Rotf and I don't agree about music except that we both detest rap and hip-hop. Apologies to those who like it.

For a mix of orchestral and rock music try 'Caravan & The New Symphonia' The conductor is Martyn Ford, who worked with Barclay James Harvest on 'Mocking Bird'. The Caravan album contains a concert from the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane 1973.

I also like the early Deep Purple (3rd album - called Deep Purple) and Procol Harum orchestral efforts - though I know some will disagree.

Rotf

I heard some bits of it on the radio. It wasn't as dreadful as I imagined. Hip hop's going through a bit of a karaoke phase at the moment - rapping over clearly identifiable records rather than using multiple small samples, so in that sense it's not that strange. It's just not that good, but then again few things involving an orchestra are. Of course I'm coming to this from the opposite side - I think hip hop is ok (used to love it, now it's got a bit stale) and I detest classical and opera - it's just too dreary and repetitive

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RIP Glyndebourne

Certainly not. This is unlikely to float my boat. But it might do something for other people - and if it does, great.

Long may people try things, and not be put off by what we have traditionally accepted.

I think Schoenberg sounds like everybody elses music played backwards, but that's just me. I am all for it being played as long as others enjoy it.

Well.....you know what they say about Opera. It ain't over til the Fat MuthaF**ker sings!

Jonathan

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Originally posted by fred simon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by erik scothron:
As for Hip Hopera? I can't bare to think about it.

Keep your clothes on, Erik, it's not as bad as all that!

Fred

Hi Fred,

I don't intend to find out. but you are probably right.

Cheers,

Erik

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Originally posted by graham55:
Hang on a moment, chaps. The hip hop Cosi is part of Glyndebourne's out of season outreach programme. It's not in the Festival 2006 programme

Agreed Graham, but as someone once said 'never let the truth stand in the way of a good story'.

Yours, mischievously

Erik

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Originally posted by Shayman:
Well.....you know what they say about Opera. It ain't over til the Fat MuthaF**ker sings!

Jonathan

has anyone heard the urban classic event event - collaboration between the BBC concert orchestra and various urban artists? I listened to it and enjoyed it, both parties got a lot from it and seemed to genuinely respect the other mroe at the end of the process and it brought a new audience to some more traditional forms of music. If a handful of people went out and got more interested in a different genre and carried that on it would prove worthwhile IMHO. IMO music forms will die if no-one is there who is interested in it. Given the level of sampling in much of hip hop and in particular borrowing from classical music it makes sense to provide a broader connection between the two. I hope a lot of the comments made have been tongue in cheek otherwise it would be a shame. Music evolves in different ways and surely a tie up between contemporary urban artists and more traditional forms is more relevant to society than finding some pretty packaging. Apologies if i have gone off half cock but i hope many of the comments have been made in jest.my 2p anyway.

I heard some of it on radio 3. I thjought it was ok but I wouldn't have wanted to listen to any of it again. An interesting experiment but I'm dubious as to whether anything longer term would come out of it. The best part of it though was hearing grime artists on radio 3 and that's something I never thought I would be able to say