Robbie Williams - Am I missing something?

Jay

Seriously, don't bother. Buy some Ryan Adams or something instead

The sooner Robbie retires to the land of hosting TV games shows the better for everyone. The guy is hideously untalented...yet another triumph of marketing over content


redeye

Redeye,

The guy is extremely talented. Talented enough to make £100 million. Much more than the sum of the Naim forum contributors X100 in lifetime's work.

What would you rather do?

P.S. I don't like any of his music.

I hope he gets plenty of success in the States. We might then stand a chance of switching on the TV without being confronted by his gormless mug.

Like I said... marketing. If you stick anything in front of the publics nose enough times most of them will buy it.

The people I know who are into Robbie are all the sort of people who buy 2 to 3 cds a year. If the radio has it on high rotate and its on the bloody tele all the time.....

No need to get aggressive Redeye.

You try and write Angels. We'll see how much "talent" you have.

So you are a Robbie fan then

'Angel'...the Sarah McLachlan song is wonderful I agree


**please note liberal use of smilies to avoid being mistaken for being aggressive

"If you stick anything in front of the publics nose enough times most of them will buy it."

True, obvious recent examples being...
Hear'say, until TV moved on to ... Will Young, Gareth Gates, Darius, the two new Popstars The Rivals whatever their called (you know the girl band and the 'vocal harmony group').

Last year Tesco's sent us Swing When Your Winning by mistake - we passed it rapidly on unplayed.

I've bought and enjoyed all of Robbie's albums.

On each one, there are at least 5 CRACKING songs, well sung etc.

In fact, when I bought his first album, I was embarrased going into the shop and whispered under my breath <Robbie Williams CD please> to which the shop keeper said "it's a great CD".

I agree.

He writes his own stuff, sings quite well, is a BRILLIANT entertainer, is versatile and handsome (B*stard).

Hype?
Hype surrounds the likes of Gareth Gates, Will Young and numerous others that I hate. Robbie is in a different league.

I quite liked his first few singles but when "Angels" came out, that clinched it for me - I had to buy the album.

I'm glad I did. And glad I have continued to buy them.........

Great Pop music.

There you are, I'm a fan of Robbie Williams.

Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......

Robbie Williams...
You'll hear people say he's very clever at 'playing the game' i.e. marketing, being a star, managing the media and making money. True.
He also makes great catchy pop music (check out 'I've been expecting you'). He goes further than most because he's made some interesting 'postmodern' comments on the nature of stardom with his combination of music/marketing. Remarkably (for I know I should'nt really) I do like 'swing when your winning' particulary his version of mr bojangles. I think it has introduced a whole new generation of people (myself included) to the delights of sinatra.
But... and it's a big but... it's not the real thing is it? Everything he does is presented in a 'tongue in cheek' way, so ultimately I can derive no lasting satisfaction from his music.

Are you missing anything?
Not really.

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He writes his own stuff,

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Hummmmm!!!

We'll see how well he writes now he has lost his writing 'collaborator'.

Cue lots of different 'collaborators' on the next release me thinks!!

RW is primarily an entertainer, and he's good at the job. That doesn't necessarily translate to making his albums worth owning, but it generally means they're quite fun to listen to at a party. Not generally stuff to sit in front of and concentrate hard on, but then like a good deal of quality pop it probably isn't meant to be...

Pete.

I hope EMI (for their sake) haven't made the same mistake they did with Maria Carey, they could not afford another fiasco like that.


I fear however that Mr Williams's bubble may have burst. His latest single is I believe one of this best any yet has only managed No4 in the charts, compared to some of the average efforts that have made No1 for him this is not a good sign. This along with splitting from his songwriter is not good news (for him). I think he probably will be quite sucessful for the next couple of years, and he is undoubtedly an excellent entertainer, but his peak may be behind him.

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Originally posted by greeny:
I hope EMI (for their sake) haven't made the same mistake they did with Maria Carey, they could not afford another fiasco like that.

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Robbie has a big advantage over Mariah Carey, in that he can actually hold a tune (as opposed to singing as many notes as possible in a display of technique over musical feeling). Good tunes will never go entirely out of fashion, though pop-divas do with clocklike regularity...

Pete.

Whatever Robbie's merits his Sinatra covers pale next to those of the Original "Mr Bojangles" Big Ron Atkinson.

Go here for an AVI clip.

Matthew

I can't believe the stuff on this thread. I had assumed that people on the naim forum at least liked music. Even allowing for different tastes, and stuff of worth to others if not to me, there is no denying that RW is bland pop along with the rest of the stuff from S Club, Blue, and Atomic Kitten. If you think it has merit you really need to get out more, no really you do. RW is a sex fantasy for 13 year old girls, his CDs are a vehicle for his record company to extract pocket money from them, nothing more. There is more great music out there than can fit into a normal lifetime. Go get some!

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

Just thought. It's a wind up right? You got me.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

I don't have a problem with people who don't 'get' the Dead - even people who otherwise have great taste and appreciation of music don't. It just genuinely surprises me that people who you would think love music (why else spend £ks on Naim stuff, I mean its not exactly a babe magnet is it?) could listen to RW and the like when there is soooo much fantastic stuff to listen to instead.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jez Quigley:
Just thought. It's a wind up right? You got me.



Err no Jez, thinks some of these people are for real. Scary

Having slept on it and got over my surprise, live and let live eh? They clearly derive pleasure from it so amen to that. No worries. I'd just gently advise taking a leaf out of Garyi's book - take a risk and try something different from time to time.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

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Originally posted by Jez Quigley:
there is no denying that RW is bland pop along with the rest of the stuff from S Club, Blue, and Atomic Kitten.

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There is denying it. Compare something from one of the above to, say, Angels and it's in a different (and lower) league of delivery. I don't own any RW stuff, don't want to, but I can respect him for what I can see he does well and I don't have any problems if it's on at someone else's party or on the radio.

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RW is a sex fantasy for 13 year old girls, his CDs are a vehicle for his record company to extract pocket money from them, nothing more.

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A reasonable description of Take That, but RW's solo material has easily transcended the manufactured pop of TT.

Like Off the Wall/Thriller period Michael Jackson I'm not buying it and don't have wet dreams over it, but I can still acknowledge he's very good at what he does and he has talent beyond a set of well photographed press releases and a good choreographer. Get over it.

Pete.

I can assure you, for me, it's no wind-up!

The beauty of a Naim system is that it has introduced me to many musical forms that I otherwise simply would have by-passed. Otherwise "bland" recordings were suddenly given new meaning on my Naim system.

I think you've forgotten that Robbie left "Take That" some years ago - leaving behind much of their 13 year old target audience. He matured and his music matured.

I guess you must be aged 60 something, otherwise you'd possibly begin to appreciate that there's more to music than totally obscure bands from yester-year.

Pre Naim, I never listened to any Jazz, Opera or Country music. That was my loss.

Just accept that people have different tastes in music and some people have an open mind.

Rather than; "get out more often" how about "open your mind".

Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......

Ok, Ok I'm chilled! Did you all miss this bit?

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Having slept on it and got over my surprise, live and let live eh? They clearly derive pleasure from it so amen to that. No worries. I'd just gently advise taking a leaf out of Garyi's book - take a risk and try something different from time to time.

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"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

I didn't miss that bit, it just came across as "they're out of their minds, but as long as they're happy then wtf".

And I'd still disagree with the "out of their minds" bit that I'd picked up by implication.

Pete.

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Originally posted by Jez Quigley:
There is more great music out there than can fit into a normal lifetime. Go get some!

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How true, and not to mention more than we will ever be able to afford.

Pete, not my intention, it was sincere as written.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."