Drunk & disorderly

I had in my youth, in the last century, the misfortune to live opposite a pub with my bedroom overlooking said hostelry. There weren't half a lot of selfish gits around back then. All of them seemed to drive home after shouting cherfully at each for half an hour. The final straw was their need to practice their evening's door slamming exercises. I expect things have improved since then though?

Chaps

We are all grown adults and should be able to have a drink whenever we like.

However, if some moron wants to get plastered at some ungodly hour and then misbehave, they should be arrested, locked up overnight with a very hefty fine (at least a Grand) to teach them a short sharp lesson.

If they do it a second time, say within 3 years, a mandatory spell in some overcrowed cell with a homosexual pyschopath for company would soon deter them.

This is the sort of thing where the birch would serve a useful purpose.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:

a mandatory spell in some overcrowed cell with a homosexual pyschopath for company would soon deter them.

Mick

It used to be said that we most hate in others what we see in in ourselves. :blush:

Nime

Sarcasm is fine but says nothing constructive.

I have just returned from Egypt where drunkeness is dealt with "harshly". The result being that it hardly exists.

People behave badly because they can get away with it and the birch or an unpleasant spell inside would soon knock it on the head.

Regards

Mick

Your argument would hold more water if the world hadn't had harsh penalties for doing anything wrong for as long as history records. It didn't stop the public hangings, beheadings, deportations, beatings, hand amputations, stonings, torturing or the languishing in conditions that make modern Western jails seem almost comfortable. Otherwise, your ideas make a lot of sense.

The only thing that stops crime effectively is the absolute certainty of being caught. With the added certainty of being suitably punished for the crime commited.

Isn't this precisely why speed cameras were so unpopular? The criminals were being ruthlessly exposed to immediate punishment without fear or favour.

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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
The stat I can give you from memory on a bright Sunday morning, is that 68% of all alcohol sold in the UK is from off-licenced premises (the figure is 78% for wine in isloation, which is my part of the business).

Sounds reasonable.

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12 litres of Stella in Tesco - £9.99
(24 x 500ml cans)
12 litres of Stella in average London pub - £59.18
(21.1 x pints @ circa £2.80 each)

If you were a committed binge drinker Martin, what would you do?

It is true that I rarely drink in pubs.

However, this doesn't say anything about off-licence drinking before a night at the pub.

No criticism - understood that you need access to the office to provide those stats.

cheers, Martin

I for one believe that relaxing the licensing laws is reasonable - freedom of choice etc. I just find it odd that Blair bangs on about those who are drunk & disorderly and handing out of fines on the one hand and in the next breath relaxes the licensing laws. Sadly this government doesn't get it. Deal with the criminals. Put them behind bars. Put them behind bars for a long time. Build more prisons. And whilst we are at it we need a less liberal judiciary. When wrong doers know there is a severe penalty, perhaps, just perhaps they may think twice before being naughty. If they don't think twive they deserve to be behind bars. Simple really.

In Scotland, there are moves to limit the hours that alcohol is sold / served and also to push for a "Glass-Ban".

Why?

Are these moves likely to become law?

I sincerely hope not.

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I just find it odd that Blair bangs on about those who are drunk & disorderly and handing out of fines on the one hand and in the next breath relaxes the licensing laws.

Drunkenness and disorder, I believe is mostly caused by our illiberal licensing laws, for they repress the social context for consuming alcohol. The licensees are clearly happy with the arrangment as they get to sell high volumes in less time, meaning more profits. The killjoy "residents" suffer bouts of insomnia brought on by thoughts of others enjoying themselves. The drinkers themselves are never consulted.

Nime,

The reason why the customers leaving pub across the road from you kept you awake is because they were forcibly kicked out en-masse before they were ready to leave. Unfinished conversations simply continued on the street that could otherwise have been concluded inside - if the pub had been allowed to stay open until most drinkers had already left of their own free will.

I bet you don't get local resident issues in Denmark or anywhere else but in Anal and Fucked-up England.

Denmark has a serious alcoholism problem. But is usually beer-based and obtained cheaply from garages and supermarkets. Drunks usually socialise outside garages and rather less often around supermarkets. Mopeds with a crate on the back rack are the usual means of transport.

Alcoholic tramps are common and they wear a pseudo-forces navy uniform with an animal tail applied to their obligatory hats. I know! You couldn't make it up! They are often seen pushing laden prams, pushchairs or bicycles and regularly meet at the many large open-air markets each year.

Beer is ridiculously cheap (from 20p a bottle up to double that for strong beer) and often consumed at work. Particularly in the building trade. This leads to the all-too-common, danish beer-belly profile. Not a pretty sight.

Living rurally I have no real idea if there is a drunkenness problem in the cities here.

Look at the once called sunny bournemouth on the south coast. Every pub that applied for overnight drinking was granted by the council.
I read in local papers that bournemouth is now the number one a.s.b.o capital of england!

regards,