Roger Waters Manchester Gig

Excellent, I heard he may be 'doing' Glastonbury.

Does he do the light show too?

Certainly does. Extracts from albums accompanied by relevant clips on a massive screen behind the band. The early Pink Floyd material, eg 'Set The Controls....' were accompanied by 60's style ink/water light show effects. Apparently Rog doesn't use shots of what's going on on stage because of time lag between light and sound. There's attention to detail!

Went to the Birmingham concert on Friday, a fantastic show. Back projection aside I felt the lighting was fairly low key relative to a Pink Floyd (Mk.2) concert, no special effects either. However I prefer the Roger Waters version, the emphasis instead being very much on the music and as he was the main songwriter and vocalist in PF the performances seemed to have a greater authenticity (although some of the tracks could have done with DG's guitar - oh why do these great groups always split up). The solo stuff sounded great, some of it receiving its first live airing in this country, but I did wonder how many in the audience were familiar with it. I must also mention PP Arnold, what a powerful voice!
The concert was slightly spoilt for me by a restless small minority in the audience making a nuisance of themselves by continually going backwards and forwards to get more drink, they must have missed half of the concert.

Glastonbury, Sunday June 30th, Pyramid Stage, penultimate act....Roger Waters

John3
Same problem at Manchester, with people constantly going in and out. I put it down to the age of many R.W. fans and their prostates not being up to 2 hours without a pee!

I was there at the Manchester gig.

I thought the music was superb.

I was disappointed with the lack of lighting/special effects. The projection backdrop looked a little cheap and dated.

Snowy White is a genius.

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Originally posted by John3:
Back projection aside I felt the lighting was fairly low key relative to a Pink Floyd (Mk.2) concert

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Though of course PF2 would be the Waters/Gilmour/Mason/Wright setup, and their lighting/show did evolve somewhat between Saucerful of Secrets and The Wall...

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Roger Waters version, the emphasis instead being very much on the music and as he was the main songwriter and vocalist in PF the performances

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Main lyricist, certainly, main songwriter as regards the music would vary over the band's career, as would "main vocalist".

Pete.

Although it is easy to take the piss out of Waters, his contribution is without doubt. Momentry Lapse and Divison Bell are good records, (well excepting the over doing of digital on the former) but there is something missing without Waters.

This is what I find interesting with Pink floyd, I have loved their music for many years and have it all in differing formats, and as time progresses I will like one album then another.

Never quite got my head round Atom Heart Mother though!

can any one give me the definative answer on Pro's and Con's.

Is it good or crap?

Cheers.

And does anyone have a copy on vinyl they wish to sell me, serious.

Definative answer? Its one of my favourite albums, and no, i'll no sell you my copy.

I also believe the CD version has been deleted. Anyone seen a source as a friend is after a copy.

Gary,
You must get the original record on vinyl. Then if you don't like the music, you'll at least have the best record cover of all time.

I saw Roger Waters on the Pros and Cons tour within a month of The Floyd touring and with it fresh in my memory, Roger's concert was better in every aspect except the light show.

I also second the Snowy White comment. Seen him with Peter Green, Motorhead, and Thin Lizzy. He clearly stole the show every time.

Ron The Mon,
Arch Kan defender and wall driller.

quote "Though of course PF2 would be the Waters/Gilmour/Mason/Wright setup, and their lighting/show did evolve somewhat between Saucerful of Secrets and The Wall..."

I agree.. in which case my comparison was really against PF3 (without Waters). I suppose I tend to discount the early PF1 (Barrett) stuff.

Pros: the music and sound effects. Cons: a bit odd ball?

Just saw Mr Waters at Wembley Arena. Great performance - Rog was definitely on better form than on the US leg of the tour which I saw back in 1999.

You'll never guess who showed up to play drums on 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun' - none other than Nick Mason!

This is GREAT NEWS for Floyd-heads. Obviously Mason & Waters are back on more than just speaking terms. If we all keep our fingers crossed then maybe Mason can persuade Gilmour & Waters to consider working together again...

Now THAT would be a show and a half!

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Although it is easy to take the piss out of Waters, his contribution is without doubt.

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Absolutely, especially when it comes to the lyrics, though post Final Cut Rog's tended to disappear up their writer's arse for a while, to be frank, with concepts that had moved from simple and superb (DSoTM being about all the things that drive people mad) to contrived and obscure (P&C and Radio KAOS are hardly to the point like Us and Them, Money, Dogs, Have a Cigar etc.)

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but there is something missing without Waters.

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Agreed, though as in any band that is far more than the sum of its parts, Roger seems to be missing something without the others. And while with the other 3 it's usually a good lyric, with Roger it tends to be a decent tune!

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Never quite got my head round Atom Heart Mother though!

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I did go through a phase of thinking it was great, but I got over it... And none of the band think much of it any more either, all dismissing it as being a load of cobblers to some degree in subsequent interviews. Great cover though!

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can any one give me the definative answer on Pro's and Con's.

Is it good or crap?

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It's crap. Notice, for instance, how there's hardly a single hummable tune on the whole thing, not generally a good sign on a rock album that's also free of any interesting rhythms and interplay between those involved. It's primarily a load of meandering verbiage, and if you like that, just read the sleeve and save yourself the rather tedious bass riff that seems to go on forever in lieu of a tune. What's generally held to be the definitive Floyd biog to date, Nicholas Schaffner's "Saucerful of Secrets" (ISBN 0283061278, well worth a look), a balanced, well researched tome that doesn't "take sides", is forced to conclude it's a "monumental dud" that did nothing to help shift tickets for its supporting tour. That sums it up pretty well for P&C, glad he seems to be getting back to writing music with, errr, music in it.

Pete.

I may become quickly cynical of PF if they did get back together.
sometimes things are best left alone.

went through the wall last night on vinyl. Thanks to my shiny LP12, this was an experience and a half. Can't quite get over the remastering on some CDs and how that seems to drag the life out of the music.

Am playing Hot Rats right now on an original pressing, how FZ approved the Hot Rats remaster on CD I will never know because in comparison its crap.

Ah well.

For wholly tasteless reasons I have P&C the album, the single and the tour programme. Sad or what? I might even listen to it again sometime...

IMO Eric Clapton adds huge value.

And garyi needs a decent CD player, IMO the CD Hot Rats sounds fine, although it's completely possible that my vinyl is reverting to its original state...

Paul

I too have P & C on vinyl and think it is superb but IMHO needs to be listened to in its entirety at one sitting. It isn't an album to dip into looking for short songs. I also believe that Amused to Death is one of the best pieces of work Rog has done. This album is also recorded in 'Q sound' which gives some amazing spatial effects, extending the sound stage yards either side of the speakers. Unlike other contributors I feel that Radio Kaos was also an excellent album. For me one of the strengths of all P F/Roger Waters work are the production values that make their vinyl material second to none in quality, although I admit the CDs of post Rog P F material don't grab me as much as the earlier stuff.

God, I tried Radio Chaos again the other day, (I also have it on vinyl)

Sorry this sounds like some sort of creepy cross between Final Cut and Duran Duran. 80s Waters just was not cutting it for me and Chaos IMO is a cak album.

In fairness to myself I played it right through as well.

The linn has that effect