Can any one please explain TURKEYHAM to me

turkey, water, salt, stabilisers, potato & rice starch, milk, protein, dextrose, whey protein, flavouring, antioxidant, acidity reguklator, flavouring, preservative, yeast extract, garlic

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Originally posted by Jim Lawson:
turkey, water, salt, stabilisers, potato & rice starch, milk, protein, dextrose, whey protein, flavouring, antioxidant, acidity reguklator, flavouring, preservative, yeast extract, garlic

Thanks Jim
In other words a pile of shite in what is meant to be a meat product, and where is the HAM as in TURKEYHAM?

They have to do something with the cage sweepings, there's just not a big enough market for muesli.

To quote Wilki

"Technically, ham is the thigh and butt of any animal that is slaughtered for meat, but the term is usually restricted to a cut of pork, the haunch of a pig or boar. "

So it is the specific joint.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
To quote Wilki

"Technically, ham is the thigh and butt of any animal that is slaughtered for meat, but the term is usually restricted to a cut of pork, the haunch of a pig or boar. "

So it is the specific joint.

Thanks for explaining how the HAM got into TURKEYHAM.

In the case of the product described it may be off the thigh but isn't carved off. It is what was left on the bone removed by a high pressure water jet, removed from the resultant slurry, mixed with the aforementioned ingredients and then reshaped into delicious slices.
Bon appetit!

Bob

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In the case of the product described it may be off the thigh but isn't carved off. It is what was left on the bone removed by a high pressure water jet, removed from the resultant slurry, mixed with the aforementioned ingredients and then reshaped into delicious slices.

I've eaten worse!

Cheers

Jim

This stuff exists because people buy it. Like all things, if it didn't sell, it would die out.

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Originally posted by Rasher:
This stuff exists because people buy it. Like all things, if it didn't sell, it would die out.

With any luck the same will apply to the current government in the not too distant future.

Especially if they ate this carcinogenic crap. Of course, they don't, they just put it on the menu at schools for our children to eat.
I think there should be a government health warning on the door of Iceland. Are people really this stupid? I once saw a guy in a supermarket ahead of me putting his stuff on the belt. He had a tray of chicken drumsticks - about a dozen of them, for about £1.99. What the hell does he think he is buying? What seems unjust is that a friend of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer around Christmas time, and she has been a vegetarian and buying organic food for years and years. Just doesn't seem fair.

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Originally posted by flyfisher:
If any of the forum members from East Anglia, as this company has plants in your part of the country can recommend where to go...

Not this East Anglian Forum member, Brian.

We get our meat from a nice man called Jason, who can tell us exactly where it comes from and the names of the guys who look after the animals.

There are pros and cons in city and country dwelling. Knowing this about our food, and ready availability of ethical produce, is one of the pros of country dwelling as far as I'm concerned.

James

'Don't worry Jimmy, its not really a floor its more of a grate to allow blood to pass through.'

Having settled the turkey ham question, can you all please apply your expertise to the turducken? Note that here, the question isn't so much "what" as "why".

And then there's the a bustergophechiduckneaealcockidgeoverwingailusharkolanbler - "a bustard stuffed with a turkey, a goose, a pheasant, a chicken, a duck, a guinea fowl, a teal, a woodcock, a partridge, a plover, a lapwing, a quail, a thrush, a lark, an Ortolan Bunting and a Garden Warbler."

Mmmmm. Just like mom used to make.

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turkey, water, salt, stabilisers, potato & rice starch, milk, protein, dextrose, whey protein, flavouring, antioxidant, acidity reguklator flavouring, preservative, yeast extract, garlic

Reguklator. That's what makes it so yummy methinks....

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Originally posted by jayd:
Having settled the turkey ham question, can you all please apply your expertise to the turducken?

Now that could well be a Bernard Matthews product!

Chaps

Turkeyham is processed muck eaten by fools.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by garyi:
'Don't worry Jimmy, its not really a floor its more of a grate to allow blood to pass through.'

Aww, poor old Troy McClure.

To avoid such as Turkeyham, go to a real butcher... Fredrik

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Originally posted by JWM:

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Originally posted by flyfisher:
If any of the forum members from East Anglia, as this company has plants in your part of the country can recommend where to go...

Not this East Anglian Forum member, Brian.

We get our meat from a nice man called Jason, who can tell us exactly where it comes from and the names of the guys who look after the animals.

There are pros and cons in city and country dwelling. Knowing this about our food, and ready availability of ethical produce, is one of the pros of country dwelling as far as I'm concerned.

James

James
I was not implying as you are from East Anglia, you are more likely to eat that muck.

I just thought you might have more of a clus as to what goes on in Mr Matthews's food factories, or hear local stories of what they get up to.


Regards
Flyfisher

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Originally posted by flyfisher:

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Originally posted by JWM:

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Originally posted by flyfisher:
If any of the forum members from East Anglia, as this company has plants in your part of the country can recommend where to go...

Not this East Anglian Forum member, Brian.

We get our meat from a nice man called Jason, who can tell us exactly where it comes from and the names of the guys who look after the animals.

There are pros and cons in city and country dwelling. Knowing this about our food, and ready availability of ethical produce, is one of the pros of country dwelling as far as I'm concerned.

James

James
I was not implying as you are from East Anglia, you are more likely to eat that muck.

I just thought you might have more of a clus as to what goes on in Mr Matthews's food factories, or hear local stories of what they get up to.


Regards
Flyfisher

Hell, it's frightening enouigh to know that the chicken farmers raise the birds for slaughter in 8 weeks!, Sometimes even 6.
I hate to guess what they have to put in their feed.

Know someone who raises chooks, they have to do everything Tegal's way and under Tegal's direction. They have to use approved contractors to clean the sheds before being the 1 day old chiocks to fatten, and then use approved contractors to catch the birds for slaughter. Funnily enough, they are not told WHAT is in the food they have to give the birds.

If that doesn't put you off chicken, then imagine the goodness in chicken mince/scrapings etc.

Second attempt.

Phenoma like "turkey ham" are what happens when the food production and maketing chain is industrialised in the interests of economies of scale. Industrialised for the sake of a cheap food policy run in UK for at least the last sixty years. Politically, food is a large part of the headline inflation figure, and this is compounded by the legal regulation that is necessary for industrial scale production to be [relatively] safe, but it forces out small and independant producers, processors, and retailers, whose reputaions guarantee their motivation to keep quality the prime aim. Small scale and knowing the customers makes this sector almost self regulkating with rgard to safety and quality, though the occasional visit from the Environmental Health Officer is usually sufficient to guarantee best practice is maintained. [All it does in an industrial setting is cause a mad panic to try to produce something akin to the appearance of quality working during another "audit visit!"].

This is entirely different to industrial scale producers whose two aims are qantity and profit, to maintain a happy set of shareholders. The actual producers [the workers] are completely removed from the eventual customers [and therefore detached from the effects of poor work and quality usually brought on by unrealistic expectations of rate of production], usually poorly paid, and are there because it is the sump for workers unable to get better work, in the main. In UK this has been the sector most filled by migrant workers [paid at or near the minimum lagal wages] over the last 15 years, and sadly these people often have much more to offer than the chances offered to them allow them to demonstrate! The industrialisation of food in the UK is irreversable, and the independant sector is miniscule now, and destined to remains so for as long as most food customers shop primarily on price, and not quality. We have grown used to cheap food and the general price is no longer high enough to allow for the old ways with high quality independant production except in a niche sector.

ATB from Fredrik

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Originally posted by flyfisher:

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Originally posted by JWM:

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Originally posted by flyfisher:
If any of the forum members from East Anglia, as this company has plants in your part of the country can recommend where to go...

Not this East Anglian Forum member, Brian.

We get our meat from a nice man called Jason, who can tell us exactly where it comes from and the names of the guys who look after the animals.

There are pros and cons in city and country dwelling. Knowing this about our food, and ready availability of ethical produce, is one of the pros of country dwelling as far as I'm concerned.

James

James
I was not implying as you are from East Anglia, you are more likely to eat that muck.

I just thought you might have more of a clus as to what goes on in Mr Matthews's food factories, or hear local stories of what they get up to.


Regards
Flyfisher

Perhaps I should have added a smilie FF?! No offence taken and I hope none given.

But here's a(n un)happy co-incidence ... news just in about Bernard Matthews ...Turkey firm probes 'abuse' claim.

Is this more what you were after?!

James

Re the term Turkeyham - I think I remember (dangerous words) Tuerkeyham being served on the breakfast buffet in hotels in Malaysia - a way of serving a ham "like" dish in a Muslim country.

However remember the warning - this is dragging up 16 year old memory.