To Bruckner fans

Posted by: Fabian Daniel Belger on 29 April 2006

Hi to all Brucknerians,

Being a lover of Bruckner's music and owning all his symphonies in their several versions and recordings ( specially No. 8 ) I would like to ask you if there is other composers that their music affects you the same. From my part I found two unknown composers that their music appealed to me the same as Bruckner's and they are:
1. Hans Rott- Symphony in E major- Gerhard Samuel and the Cincinnati Philarmonia Orchestra- cd from Hyperion,

2. Alberic Magnard - Symphony No. 3 in B flat minor- Jean-Yves Ossonce and the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra- cd from Hyperion.

Any recommendation will be most welcome,

Regards.

Fabian
Posted on: 29 April 2006 by Tam
Dear Fabian,

Out of interest, which Bruckner recordings do you have. Personally, as a cycle, I find Jochum's Dresden readings pretty hard to beat (though in number 8 I haven't heard anything yet that challenges Furtwangler, despite poor sound quality).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 29 April 2006 by Fabian Daniel Belger
Hi Tam,

I own the complete set of Celibidache recordings with the Muncher Philarmoniker( EMI )- my favourite, I also have another set from Decca ( Solti, Chailly, Baremboim, Blomstedt), the Naxos set by Tintner and a wonderful recording of N. 9 by Stanislaw Skrowaczewski with the Minnesota Orchestra from Reference Recordings that sound amazing through
my Naim gear.

Regards,

Fabian
Posted on: 02 May 2006 by Parry Stanford
quote:
Originally posted by Fabian Daniel Belger:
Hi to all Brucknerians,

Being a lover of Bruckner's music and owning all his symphonies in their several versions and recordings ( specially No. 8 ) I would like to ask you if there is other composers that their music affects you the same. From my part I found two unknown composers that their music appealed to me the same as Bruckner's and they are:
1. Hans Rott- Symphony in E major- Gerhard Samuel and the Cincinnati Philarmonia Orchestra- cd from Hyperion,

2. Alberic Magnard - Symphony No. 3 in B flat minor- Jean-Yves Ossonce and the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra- cd from Hyperion.

Any recommendation will be most welcome,

Regards.

Fabian


My nominations with an English-based flavour would be the orchestral music of John Foulds, Granville Bantock, Hubert Parry, Charles Stanford and Cyril Scott. The orchestral music of Charles Koechlin in also worth exploring.
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I'd suggest Robert Simpson's symphony no 9 - he was stongly influenced by Bruckner, Beethoven and Nielsen. And to accompany it I'd get a copy of his book "The Essence of Bruckner" which is an excellent review of the symphonies.

David
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Mark Coyle
Hello Fabian,

I really like Bruckner too. Symphony cycles by Karajan and Wand are very good, but I think that Jochom on EMI takes some beating (and at budget price). For similar music try louis Glass.If you are interested I will send you some - no charge- (copies of course)

Mark.
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Mark Coyle
Just noticed you also own the Celibidache Bruckner, I have not yet heard those. Are they as good as the mags say?

Cheers

Mark (again)
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Mark,

I agree, the Jochum EMI cycle is very special - I wonder if anyone here knows his earlier DG cycle and how that compares.

As far as Celibidache goes, you may like to take a look at Graham's post at the bottom of this page.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
The Fourth [from E Jochum with the BPO on DG] is lovely, but the only one I have from this set. I can't think of anything I don't like about it, and it manages the trick of making the Finale sound as grand and conclusive as the rest!

Fredrik
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

That is really very interesting - I must have another listen to my Dresden account to see if he manages it there. As you suggest, it really is something of a trick, and the area for me where most 4ths fall down.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

Get back on that for I have always had a mind to get the Dresden State/ E Jochum set, if it wins here! Please!

Fredrik
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by graham55
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Robert Simpson (who knew quite a lot about Bruckner, amongst other composers) changed his whole view as to the stature of the last movement of Bruckner's Fourth after hearing Celibidache's [Swedish RSO] performance.

Some way ahead of Boehm/Wiener PO or Jochum/Berliner PO, in my view (although it's good to have all three).

Graham
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

I have just dug it out and (no doubt to the outrage of some) had a listen to the last ten minutes or so. Quite wonderful. This is interesting because the 4th does not normally leave me with that impression. Indeed, a comparative (though, not a very good/fair comparison) to the last few minutes of Walter leaves me wondering quite why I have the later on my ipod instead of Jochum!

I shall get back to you after a proper listen (with any luck tomorrow), however, even if it doesn't quite, of the three cycle I own the Jochum is comfortably the most satisfying, and pretty cheap to boot (in other words, it's a worthy addition to any shelves).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Graham,

I must look out some of these Celibidache recordings when I have a chance!

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by graham55
Tam

Indeed you should, although (as noted elsewhere) my enthusiasms may not always coincide with yours!

Graham
Posted on: 07 May 2006 by Tam
This is true, although the samples I listened to online (a poor guide, I know) for the Brahms sounded very promising.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 08 May 2006 by Mark Coyle
quote:
Originally posted by Tam:
Dear Mark,

I agree, the Jochum EMI cycle is very special - I wonder if anyone here knows his earlier DG cycle and how that compares.

As far as Celibidache goes, you may like to take a look at Graham's post at the bottom of this page.

regards, Tam
Thanks Tam i I really enjoyed reading those items. This forem thingy is brilliant.

Cheers
Mark.
Posted on: 08 May 2006 by Fabian Daniel Belger
Hi Mark,

I agree with Graham's post about Celibidache's slow conductorship, I certainly prefer it to Karajan's, specially regarding No. 8 , my favourite symphony.
Thank you for your recommendation of Louis Glass, a few minutes ago I wandered through Amazon.com and listened to the samples from his Fifth and Sixth symphonies.I will explore them a little more before any purchase.

Regards,

Fabian.
Posted on: 09 May 2006 by Tam
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Coyle:
This forem thingy is brilliant.


Also very expensive Winker (even if, like me, you spend most of your time in the music room).

If you (and indeed other new members) are interesting, I've been putting together a list of 'interesting' classical threads over the last few months (or longer).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 10 May 2006 by Mark Coyle
Very interested Tam, just read the thing on Brahms symphonies, which was very good.

Cheers

Mark.