prefix stageline or none

I have to disagree slightly with this view.

I have a Prefix / Ittok / Klyde and it's a big improvement on the internal phono stages. I went this route primarily for convenience, as I needed an external phono stage for my 112, and didn't want another box.

Remember that when the prefix was first developed (as part of the 'Armageddon' mods Naim did to the LP12), the Ittok was the only arm available.

The normal route would be arm / TT psu first, but if a power supply is available for the prefix it's a cheaper route than either the arm or psu options.

If Arie doesn't have a PSU for the prefix, I'd agree with arm / TT psu first.

Andy.

Andrew L. Weekes
alweekes@audiophile.com

Aboutr the prefix - my situation is this -
I have a Flat that runs a 72. From the forum I'd learned that a Hi is much better than a Flat for the 72.
I can buy a Hi and reduce the price by giving the dealer my flat - but the reduce in price is about a half of a price for a new flat.
The other possibility is to buy a Hi (after checking if it is better for the 72 than the Flat - but like the forum idae, Naim dealer says it must be better) and stay with my Flat.
Naim dealer thinks that the best way to use the Flat is with a Prefix.
He thinks that a Flat/Prefix with the Ittok is a better value than going for an Aro or an Arammagedon.
About the Asaka cart. We'd discussed this again and Naim dealer insists that if the cart sound is good - this is the only way to check it. He says that it is no way that the cart sounds good and in the same time it destroys the records.
To sum it up - Naim dealer thinks that a Hi is better than a Flat for the 72 and using the Flat for a Prefix is the best way to improve the TT sound.

Are you agree ?

Arie

The forum can't prove the Hicap is better than the Flatcap. The forum can't prove ANYTHING about what YOU will like. At best, the forum can identify things you should listen to, if possible, and point you to tweaks that may pay off for you.

If there's NO way for you to listen before you buy, maybe you can use the forum to make your decisions - but if you can get a dem, trust your ears, not your (forum-reading) eyes.

Regards.

Phil

You are right - it was a poor expression by me.
It agreed with the dealer that I'll listen to the Hi before I buy it - maybe it is the same as the flat ?

For the several months I'm in the forum, there are subjects and members that I take their opinions as objective true (unless talking about Mana...).

I have to check everything by myself BUT -

1 - Naim are known for beeing very precise with the equipment so you know that a 72 has the same sound everywhere.

2 - Several members whom opinion I trust are saying that a 72/140 is better than a Nait3.

3 - I had a Nait3 and I agree with them.

4 - It seems to be a good guess that if they are thinking that the Hi is better than the flat - I'll have the same feeling when I test it.

All the above doesn't free me from checking the points by myself.

Not like many members here - I think (it is only a guess, I know) that those who have the same Naim equipment (for the example cdx,Hi/72/140)
having quite a similar sound no matter where they are. You can say - the room matters, the stand, the house, the speakers - okay , but in the core of it - the sound will be quite similar. Wondering if someone had the opportunity to check it.

Another example for me - outcome of those whom opinion I trust, I'm sure (although I'll check it when time comes) that a 102 is a better pre than the 72 especially with the power supplier for the digital. I'll be deeply surprised if it is not so - and if I'll have a chnace to buy such a pre without checkung it, I'll buy it blindly based on members opinion here.

Another exemple - based on members opinion, the highest "jump" in pre's quality related to price
is going for a used 82.

Reading many of the posts, "filtering" opinions
in my brain depanding on some feelings I have - make me "believe" in some directions.

What do you think ? (if you'd read this at all...)

Arie

I presume you also intend to buy a PS (Flat or Hi) with the external phono stage? Sorry, can't remember if you have a 52, and your profile doesn't list your system.

cheers, Martin

Martin ,

I only have a 72 (52 is in my dreams only...).
A flatcap runs my 72. The idea is to run the 72 with a HI and use the Flat for the prefix.

Arie

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There are still gains to be made by Prefixing an LP12/Ittok, but I believe the magnitude of change is significantly greater with LP12/ARO.

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I wouldn't disagree with this. I think if Arie needs a PSU + prefix he must be close to ARO expenditure, I which case an ARO would be a better option.

Andy

Andrew L. Weekes
alweekes@audiophile.com

I entered an Israeli forum and find out that people are not pronouncing my name as required when reading Arie. My name is Arye Gur.
Arye like are-yeh Gur like Goor.

My name means Arye = lion Gur = cub.

I like my name and don't intead to change it !

Arye