Oh No! Not another Kan convert!

Posted by: bigtrak on 04 March 2002

This topic in a way adds to some of the other threads concerning people contemplating getting rid of their Kan's.
Before I got into the Naim sound I had an old Sugden A21 amp, Meridian 207 CD player and Audio Note AN/K loudspeakers. Although great sounding it was a bit laid back and quite often lacked excitement.
Enter Naim. After starting with a nap140/nac62 and Micromega Stage 5, I moved up (sideways?) to a NAP160/NAC12 then to what I have now a NAP250/NAC32.5/HiCAP and a Micromega Stage 6. After reading about Linn Kan speakers here on the forum I decided to see what all the fuss was about (the Audio Note AN/K's were not sounding good with my new kit) I eventually tracked a pair of KAN II's down with Kan II stands and was all ready for audio nirvana, the problem was that the sound of the Kan's were so different to what I was used to that I couldn't get on with them, I too like many other people on this forum considered them too "bright", "shrill" and "shouty" I lived with them for about a month but found myself listening to music less an less (not able to see past this brightness) at the same time my local dealer had a pair of Linn Kabers at a pretty good second hand price of £400 so I borrowed these on a 10 day trial. My first impressions were good, more bass and not so in your face but the more I listened to them the less I liked them (my final conclusion of them being bland and unexciting - only my opinion) So I took them back and decided to wait for something else to come up. In the mean time I would just have to live with the Kan's and so decided to try and set them up as best as possible (I have always viewed this "set up" business a bit skeptically (or perhaps I'm just lazy)) this time though I really took my time trying the speakers at different distances apart, pennies under the spikes (now with cross head screws in the floor boards), checking and tightening the stands, connecting both speaker terminals with speaker wire instead of the crappy metal connectors. Well the end result is staggering, it seems like I have different speakers they sound fantastic! They have got everything, bass rhythm and above all else EXCITEMENT (finally) Whether this change is because of the time taken to set things up properly or that when I first got them they were so different to what I was used to that I saw this difference as a bad thing and needed a break from them and a fresh start to get past my initial first impressions. I don't know, its probably a combination of the two but I am truly amazed at the change.
Now I'm not saying their perfect but for the money I had to spend I would say they are hard to beat. My one criticism is that they can sometimes produce a touch of sibilance but I think this is probably due to the speakers showing up poor quality recordings (would a change of interconnect help? I am using a chord Chrysalis for the CD player and grey SNAICS)

So I guess the moral of this story is "You don't know a good thing till its gone"
Sorry for the long post I hope I haven't bored you too much!

Posted on: 04 March 2002 by Andreas Nystroem
You're so right. I sold my kan1's some months ago and I really miss them. I too could not get on with them at first but after a while when I got them positioned right they just came to life. I guess i'm gonna have to find another pair to match with the nait2 i'm buying tomorrow.
Posted on: 04 March 2002 by bob atherton
Nice post. I do know that going to black SNAICS will make a worthwhile improvement. Not at all sure about the screw heads in the floor boards though...

Bob.

Posted on: 04 March 2002 by Andrew Randle
Bigtrack,

Proper setup makes a massive difference - much more difference than just blindly throwing money at a problem. A proper setup should be "de rigeur", and Kans are more sensitive than most to this (as you have discovered).

Andrew

Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"

Posted on: 04 March 2002 by Tony L
quote:
I really took my time trying the speakers at different distances apart, pennies under the spikes (now with cross head screws in the floor boards), checking and tightening the stands, connecting both speaker terminals with speaker wire instead of the crappy metal connectors. Well the end result is staggering, it seems like I have different speakers they sound fantastic!

Excellent, glad to see someone else finding religion.

I used my first pair of Kans set up like this for many years, though later came to the conclusion that the cross head screws were not a good thing. To my ears the cross head screws somehow push the rhythm forward, giving the impression with some music of real excitement, but loosing out on the ability to play other music. Great fun on aggressive or up-tempo stuff, but not good at all with slow jazz / Tom Waits etc.

The conclusion I came to was to dispense with the crosshead screws and just rest the spikes on the floorboards under their own weight, but to do it really bloody accurately. Stamping the stands into the floor is disastrous, the sound becomes really leaden and dead, so care must be taken. With a carpeted floor the best technique is to cut a little ‘X’ into the carpet where each spike will sit (use masking tape on the carpet to locate the stand holes easily). Once the little ‘X’ cuts are in the right place the stand can be accurately set up without any rocking. I find this method gives correct timing / musical tempo – i.e. fast sounds fast and slow sounds slow, neither sound rushed unless rushed is what is on the record.

Two tips that give real big gains with Kans IIs are hovering the tweeter, though this goes for all older speakers (do a search on me and “hoover” for details), and ditching the bi-wire links. To do this solder two Naim plugs per conductor spaced for the sockets, its certainly a bit fiddly but it really gets the top and mid to integrate superbly and they sound far more open and communicative. To get what I’m on about think of the A5 from the side as looking like: __________I___I with the ‘I’ being the plugs. Don’t ignore this one, the bi-wire links do honestly sound pretty bad, to prove it see just how much the sound changes depending on which pair of sockets you plug your current speaker leads into.

As for sibilance, look upstream – Kan IIs ain’t sibilant at all, though some sources most definitely are! I have never heard the Micromega players though believe them to be good. What supports do you use? The 32.5 is incredibly sensitive to its surroundings. Have you pulled the phono boards out? Get the 32.5 as far away from the Hicap and 250 as you possibly can, that’s another real big gain.

Tony.

Posted on: 05 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
You said
quote:
Sorry for the long post, I hope I haven't bored you too much!

A boring post about Kans? Impossible!

Ron The Mon

Posted on: 05 March 2002 by Rico
Bigtrak

congrats! All posts above valid, not much for me to add except: Have you considered an LP12 to front your system?

Tony's point about NACA5 bi-wire is almost mandatory. If you search, there were also some excellent pics posted sometime ago - sorry, I don't remember the details.

Indeed, "religion" and "no boring kan post possible" made me smile.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
Use the search function for "Kan bi-wire links" by Andrew L. Weekes. I think the thread title is NAC-A4/Kan2.

These photos by Andy should be in all FAQs and Naim fan sites, IMO. There is an excellent description, measurements, and photos in the thread opener.

Ron The Mon

P.S.
This method works for any bi-wireable speaker, not just Kans.

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by bigtrak
Hi
have any of you tried Kans stood on top of paving slabs or similar? The problem I have is that I have bare floor boards and when the Kans are stood on them as suggested by Tony they bounce around like mad just from walking past them. I have tried tightening the floor boards but it didn't seem to help much. Perhaps a paving slabs might do the trick.
Any thoughts?