freedom of speech

Posted by: tpm45 on 27 February 2006

Looking at a post by Shayman involving freedom of speech it got me thinking that in this country and the USA freedom of speech is curtailed quite drastically. Look what happened to the BNP when they polled 1000000 voted in an election. The BBC did a hatchet job on that party to such an extent that their right to have a financial accounts, with Barclays bank, I think? was shut down in order to damage the party. Now a lot of people would be very happy with that situation, but I ask you was the establishments and I mean government ,was it right in the way they acted. After all the BNP never had recourse to use massive violence ie bombings and shootings in order to push their point of view across. Not like another party who happen to be very pally with Ken Livingstone, Nelson, and the odd USA President. namely IRA. Now lets look at another aspect of freedom of speech which has resulted in an American writer being virtually crucified. John NORMAN a writer of Scifi stories published his first novel in the late 60s and his books became an instant hit around the world. His stories centred around the planet GOR and were basically swords and sandals,soft violence very little sex,and no profanity. Yet this mans work brought thousands onto the streets in America to have his books banned,which they eventually were, especially when threats were made against book stores that contained any of his works. Normans books were banned because he put foreward another way of living, another type of lifestyle so to speak. His mistake if mistake is the right word was to suggest that females are inferior to man. That women are their for the pleasure of men,and enjoy being enslaved by men. I have to admit I dont know if his books were banned in Muslim countries, does the lifestyle ring a bell?. If you have never heard of this man type the word Gor into your browser and you will be amazed at the world wide following this mans work has. Yes you can buy the books on Ebay very cheap for the first novels that appeared. However the later books are quite rare due to the banning,but you can still get them,I think he wrote 25 novels in all. When you look at all the shit in this world which is allowed it is hair pullingly madness to kick this author stupid.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by Justyn
Break up your post, it's difficult to read.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by ianmacd
Better still, write the whole thing again. At the moment it's just rambling gibberish.

Did you actually read it back to yourself before you posted?

Ian
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ianmacd:
At the moment it's just rambling gibberish.
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An integral BNP characteristic.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ianmacd:
At the moment it's just rambling gibberish.
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An integral BNP characteristic.


Very True.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
How many times did you see Noam Chomsky on Tv?
Here in Italy he was about to be banned as a kind of terrorist.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
How many times did you see Noam Chomsky on Tv?
Here in Italy he was about to be banned as a kind of terrorist.


Noam Chomsky has many valid arguments in my view. American fear, paranoia and intolerance is infecting the world.
Posted on: 27 February 2006 by Bob McC
Barclays, as a private company, and as is its right, chose to cease having the BNP as a client. The Government had nothing to do with it.
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by Van the man
quote:
Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
Barclays, as a private company, and as is its right, chose to cease having the BNP as a client. The Government had nothing to do with it.


Are there not ministers/ex ministers that have direct interests in the banking industry?
I stand to be corrected. Winker
Maybe now barclays are taking the moral ground, which for a bank with past links to south africa makes me think.
As a kid growing up in britain I witnessed a guy being dragged over the coals in regard to his beliefs, witnessing what we have now I wish he had given me six numbers between 1 and 49, I am ofcourse speaking of enoch powel.
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by tpm45
Im busy right now,but I will try and make things a little less opaque for the simpler minded.
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by joe90
I'm cleverer than most - and more modest - and I know that one of the signs of being clever is your ability to get your point across.

Your post is just hard to read - no hard feelings re the content of what you say - it's just hard to read. Computers aren't like books.

Smile
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by erik scothron
My advice - for what is worth - when writing something lengthy.....write it in MS Word, edit it carefully, don't forget paragraphs and read it through as if you were someone else reading it for the first time. Edit again as necessary. Then copy/paste it into the forum . Roll Eyes
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by Jim Lawson
quote:
Im busy right now,but I will try and make things a little less opaque for the simpler minded.
i am complexer minded than you and i havent really gotten your point inthe post above that that you made freedom of speeches on tpm45.
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Lawson:
quote:
Im busy right now,but I will try and make things a little less opaque for the simpler minded.
i am complexer minded than you and i havent really gotten your point inthe post above that that you made freedom of speeches on tpm45.


LOL
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by Steve Toy
Someone could copy/paste the offending post from the POV of readability.

Personally, right now, I can't be arsed.
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by joe90
quote:
Looking at a post by Shayman involving freedom of speech it got me thinking that in this country and the USA freedom of speech is curtailed quite drastically.

Look what happened to the BNP when they polled 1000000 voted in an election. The BBC did a hatchet job on that party to such an extent that their right to have a financial account (with Barclays bank, I think?) was shut down in order to damage the party. Now a lot of people would be very happy with that situation, but I ask you was the establishment - and I mean government - right in the way they acted?
After all, the BNP never had recourse to use massive violence - i.e. bombings and shootings - in order to push their point of view across.
Not like another party who happen to be very pall-y with Ken Livingstone, Nelson, and the odd USA President: namely the IRA.

Now let's look at another aspect of freedom of speech which has resulted in an American writer being virtually crucified. John Norman, a scifi writer, published his first novel in the late 60s and his books became an instant hit around the world. His stories centred around the planet 'Gor' and were basically swords and sandals: soft violence, very little sex and no profanity. Yet this man's work brought thousands onto the streets in America to have his books banned - which they eventually were - especially when threats were made against book stores that contained any of his works.
Norman's books were banned because he put forward another way of living. Another type of lifestyle so to speak. His mistake (if mistake is the right word) was to suggest that females are inferior to males, that women are there for the pleasure of men and enjoy being enslaved by men.

I have to admit I don't know if his books were banned in Muslim countries. Does the lifestyle ring a bell?. If you have never heard of this man type the word 'Gor' into your browser and you will be amazed at the world-wide following this man's work has.
Yes, you can buy the books on Ebay very cheap for the first novels that appeared. However, the later books are quite rare due to the ban,but you can still get them. I think he wrote 25 novels in all.

When you look at all the shit which is allowed in this world, it is hair-pullingly maddening to kick this author stupid.


How's that - do I get the job of Editor-At-Large?
Posted on: 28 February 2006 by joe90
Whoops - already spotted a mistake. It should say 'US President'.
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by joe90:
Whoops - already spotted a mistake. It should say 'US President'.


Which particular 'odd' president do you suppose he means - they are all odd, and that is putting it politely.
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by joe90:
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How's that - do I get the job of Editor-At-Large?



BTW - good effort Joe, any chance you can de-cipher Fritz'z rantings next?
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by Alexander
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Originally posted by erik scothron:
quote:
Originally posted by joe90:
Whoops - already spotted a mistake. It should say 'US President'.


Which particular 'odd' president do you suppose he means - they are all odd, and that is putting it politely.


That's back in the days when the US had a president.

Hello Erik. Care for a cup of coffee? Smile
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by Rasher
Freedom of speech then, eh?
So is bullying and ridicule of a post and an unwillingness to discuss the issue necessary then?
You may think it's funny guys, but it's disrespectful. If this turns out to be support for the BNP it wouldn't be a tough argument to win, so what are you afraid of?
We need freedom of speech even if we don't like what we might hear.
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by erik scothron
Hello Erik. Care for a cup of coffee? Smile[/QUOTE]

Sure. When and where? Whose paying?
Posted on: 01 March 2006 by joe90
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Freedom of speech then, eh?
So is bullying and ridicule of a post and an unwillingness to discuss the issue necessary then?
You may think it's funny guys, but it's disrespectful. If this turns out to be support for the BNP it wouldn't be a tough argument to win, so what are you afraid of?
We need freedom of speech even if we don't like what we might hear.


I have no idea what he's talking about, nor do I know what the BNP is, so you'll notice I have done no bullying of the content at all - I have merely made the post easier to read. OK that's kind of humourous in itself, but in a nice way.
Posted on: 02 March 2006 by Alexander
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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Hello Erik. Care for a cup of coffee? Smile


Sure. When and where? Whose paying?[/QUOTE]
You got me there. I was expecting a kind of 'is it safe' reply, building on your cafetaria anecdote.
Now I can't deliver.
But if you're ever in Gent or Antwerp, I'm willing to arrange something. There's a tiny coffee house in Gent that has hardly changed in 50 years. Except that they now sell much more coffee.

This place could use a coffee thread.
Posted on: 02 March 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by AlexanderVH:
quote:
Originally posted by erik scothron:
Hello Erik. Care for a cup of coffee? Smile


Sure. When and where? Whose paying?

You got me there. I was expecting a kind of 'is it safe' reply, building on your cafetaria anecdote.
Now I can't deliver.
But if you're ever in Gent or Antwerp, I'm willing to arrange something. There's a tiny coffee house in Gent that has hardly changed in 50 years. Except that they now sell much more coffee.

[/QUOTE]

Gent coffee house - sounds delightful. It's my turn to be a bit lost...what cafeteria anecdote do you refer to? I must admit I scratched my head when you first bought up the subject of coffee and I do so again now. I remember something to do with 'is it safe?' from the film called 'The marathon man' but that's all.

Yours, hopefully only temporarily confused,

Erik
Posted on: 03 March 2006 by Alexander
right. Quote from joke thread: "If i were married to you I would put poison in your coffee."