Big Brother in Reality ?

Steve,
Thats ok provided you are legit. If you are devious you can give false details - fail to produce and then get away with it. But you'll say thats down to the officers at the time of stop to establish...
I'm all for civil liberties, provided people don't take the P**s out of them. If everyone thought as we on this forum did we would not be having this debate as people would be fair.
Some people are not, infact they are dishonest etc so I think its about being proportinate...

Here in Germany one must carry an identity card by law, technically an on the spot fine if not, ie going black on the tube etc, but one can produce it a bit later at cop-shop or wherever, non German's carry some form of ID as basic bloody common sense anyway, even if it's not your own ?

Fritz agréeing for once, innee.

Graham Ricketts

A very touchy subject indeed that we all like to pretend isn't there, but is,
BIG-STYLE is the Worldwide use of Soldiers of Fortune, or whatever you may wish
to call them ? They are a fact of life in many "Present Wars" and come from all
Nations, especially those boasting highly modern proffessional Military forces,
and well established Democratic Governments, I make no actual comment on their
existence, nor would I openly critisise Israel or Mossad to name but a few, for
the same reason, being a realist, unlike seemingly many folk out there in
cyberspace ? The one point I do find relevant of late though, being voiced by
certain Countries that use the services of such personell, as well as being on
the recieving end of aforermentioned services, is an ever increasing wish of many people for the advisors/fighters involved as part of their contracts to temporarily take on the Nationality of the Country's involved that pay them, and subsequently therefore theoretically be bound to the very laws that would affect their own military, and thereby take on some semblence of accountabiltity for their actions ?

Naive Citizen Fritz:

Piss. I don't refer to those that get killed or captured, they take their chances and get paid accordingly, and yes we know it's a highly lucrative business that essentially affects us all, I thank you, innit.

Graham Ricketts

“There’s absolutely no sense of humour at American check-ins
nowadays, and for a while I was quite scared,” Dave Rogerson told
reporters after landing at Philadelphia airport. “I tried to explain
that it was just a toy, but they told me that it had produced the
highest reading for explosives they’d ever encountered, and took it
very very seriously. They were very jumpy, and were utterly
convinced that there must be something explosive in the dog.”
Rogerson, a page designer from Leeds, was explaining what had
happened to him at Norfolk Airport in Virginia, prior to boarding
his flight. “When the security staff began examining my luggage,
they came across my novelty toy dog. It’s an hilarious life-size
mechanical terrier that farts when it bends over, then belches while
its eyes revolve and light up, and for some reason the gas inside
registered as high-explosive TNT on their equipment. I couldn’t
believe it when the FBI arrived wearing rubber gloves and began
taking swabs from the animal’s rear end, and I was really scared
when they took me away for questioning. What made things worse was
that I’d placed my passport and boarding card under the dog before
it went on the scanner, and that had been placed in an isolation
zone under suspicion of being a bomb, so I couldn’t even give the
agents my papers when they demanded them. I got a real grilling from
the FBI over several hours, but eventually they decided that the dog
was harmless, and let me go. They even let me have the dog back.
Although it doesn’t fart anymore.” (The Register, 27/10/03. Spotter
Stephen MacDonald)

P.Eye magazine Dec.2003.

PPS "And don't forget, just because you're not Paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after you ?"

Fritz Von Valium²

Graham Ricketts

I would be ashamed to be an American after seeing that poor guy get beaten to shit by those
brave cops ? The person that filmed it is a hero in my eyes, God help him/her. Remember Rodney King ? hundreds died in the LA riots after that fiasco, where are we living here, Holly Fuckin Wood, or What ?

Fritz Von Michael Jackson say's "Is it cos I's
white ?"

Graham Ricketts

That sort of beating is inhumane, no doubt. Not sure it's surprising- the first form of law enforcement here was white thugs reeling in escaped black slaves. It's also not surprising that it occured in that part of the country.

That "poor guy" was on PCP. The cops - one of whom was black - could have shot him several times and he would still have been swinging at them. And the "hero" who filmed the whole thing was another cop.

Put yourself in the cops' shoes. How would you have handled this, Graham or Ludwig?

It's easy to shout "racism" here, especially given Cincinnati's appalling recent history. If that proves to be the case, then the cops deserve to be taken to the cleaners. But beware of rushing to judgment.

Davie

I didn't mention racism, I've had a few similar experiences myself (on both sides) , and did you say you've heard of Rodney King? or was it
me striking pre-emtively my friend.

Fritz Von Orangejuiceisupagain

Graham Ricketts

Maybe a knee in the back and a willingness to get ones hands dirty, instead of clubbing and hoping for unconsciousness, would have done the trick? How about a stun gun?

Regardless, it doesn't take much to understand that black lives are less valued by law enforcement in the US.

What colo(u)r are Chads in Florida ? Good Policing and local knowledge are common sense partners that must always be maintained to achieve some semblence of neighbourhood (Hood) harmony, or is that only in the movies ?

Fritz Von There'saPCPunderthebed

Graham Ricketts

Remember everyone is an individual - don't tar all with the same brush....

Obviously coming from a paradise adjoining Sherwood Forest, you can dream of such luxury my League.

Beggin Yore Umble, Fritz the Pious.

Graham Ricketts

"But I did not shoot the Deputy down "
Talkin of Littlejohn, he was crap tonight as well, Big Brother tarring everybody with the same predjudices for smartie points, innit, this is good though, innit:

http://file.sugarqube.com/Cards/jblo_TheWormGame.swf?PL=L400x300 FRitz Von Don'tPanic, Don't panic

Graham Ricketts

Wow, Robbin Scouse of Loxley rang me this moaning and also told me off for tainting everybody with the same quiver, I just cannie win can I, innit.
Fritz Von Gibson-Fender(Finger Lickin Good said the Colonel ?)

Graham Ricketts

Graham,
thats quite funny - bearing in mind you know nothing about me other than my approx location....
and with that i bow out of this thread so to speak...

Cheers Andy, I'm glad you took it in the spirit that it was intended. I didn't know Notts C / F(?)
is the oldest club in the football league !!!

Fritz Von Mine'sastrongbowchief.

Graham Ricketts