Cables and DIN retermination...

Sell the Nordost to some mug and buy some basic stuff from Maplin and some records.

Paul

I invited assistance from knowledgable contributors, and you don't fit in that group, sadly...

It seems to be that your advice is worth marginally less than I paid for it



TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

It's snake oil. The concept of 'knowledgeable' is incompatible with your question.

But if you believe then why not ask the manufacturer?

Paul

Snakeoil it is not. You may think so, but I am not stupid. Nothing is ever purchased without lengthy auditions. It's about as snakeoil as Mana - i.e. it's not. It has a similar magnitude of influence on my own system as going down the Mana route, or playing with speaker positioning and so on.

In a Naim system, perhaps not. In my second system (Naim based) I use NAC-A5, but even trying something like DNM Reson has a pronounced effect (which some may like and some may not).

However, to denounce it as snakeoil is ignorant.

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Any mug knows that cabling can make a huge diffrence. I have rejected systems purely down to choice of cabling, especialy at shows.

As a short-term measure, you could use RCA-DIN adaptors as I did before my specially terminated Chord Anthems arrived.

For those not in the know, expensive interconnects are poor value in an all-Naim system, but they are as vital to the synergy of a mongrel or no-Naim system such as mine or TC's, as stands, mains, power supplies or even the boxes themselves.

Mr Ranson,

Come back when you've heard what they do outside of an all-Naim system, and when you do, leave your ruler behind.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

...but it doesn't answer my question re: the interconnects, i.e. is the idea to use more or less conductors/strands, or is it about the same?

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

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Snakeoil it is not. You may think so, but I am not stupid.

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Are you suggesting I am?

I think you must be very credulous.

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However, to denounce it as snakeoil is ignorant.

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I prefer to characterise it as 'well informed'. It's surely ignorant to expect that 1m of magic interconnect cable can make a first order difference amongst the myriad processing that your signal has been through.

When I read stuff like,

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By using optimized diameter conductors, skin depths are minimised, all frequencies are travelling at over 1.20 nano seconds, which results in the elimination of phase distortions when the signal arrives at the loudspeakers.

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the bullshit detectors reach FSD.

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Come back when you've heard what they do outside of an all-Naim system, and when you do, leave your ruler behind.

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Please feel free to believe in magic, inside or outside of an 'all-Naim' system. Read the Nordost 'White Paper' and weep at the nonsense couched in technical terms. The dishonesty of it revolts me.

Paul

Vuk: Anyone who considers "TC" a friend can not count himself among mine.

Miaow.

JD

TC,

I have enquired Nordost before, and their official stance is the Red Dawn and SPM are too stiff to be DIN-terminated and will be prone to short circuit. I know in the UK both cables are being sold in DIN terminations by their dealers, so go figure.

Their recommendation is for Quattro Fil, but of course I balked at the cost. Anyway, if you terminate one length into DIN-DIN, it will be much easier than 2 lengths into one DIN-DIN. But I cannot speculate as to the results.

You should reconsider if reterminating is a worthwhile route at all, considering the hassle and the skills involved when it comes to these flatline cables.

Cheers

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you little two-faced c*nt

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That title belongs to someone else...

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

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That title belongs to someone else...

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I wasn't refering to myself either.

As for TC's deck, it may be plastic, but it sounds superb. I've heard it and you probably haven't. As for his new CD player, it is a Resolution Audio, and as such was designed to work with his plastic DNM preamp, so there are issues of synergy which bring him to his choice of digital source.

TC's system is probably one of the most non-ferrous systems in existence and one where the effect has been proven accidentally by someone who wasn't even looking to prove such a phenomenon - that blows a big whole in your cognitive psychobabble theories, now doesn't it, Vuk? He discovered that his new plastic pre worked better off his much vaunted and well-loved-at-the-time Mana stack.

I am not even going to promote the non-ferrous theories per se in some kind of absolutist fashion as we've seen here before. I just wish to suggest that that TC's particular choice of components may be more susceptible to the ferrous effect than others on the market such as those by Naim, or the Naim/Densen combination that I use.

Also, if TC is such a "deplorable and vapid materialist," why would he choose a plastic preamp and a plastic deck other than because he found them to be sonically superior?

That was a rhetorical question.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on FRIDAY 02 August 2002 at 04:53.]

Kindly explain how I may have "undermined my position."

As for the concept of the rhetorical question, I learnt it along with other "figures of speech" back in High School when you were probably still learning English as a Foreign Language.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

We are all "beyond redemption" on that particular score. The hi-fi habit/passion is a "bourgeois"/materialist one at best.

I entered the post-communist world a few years back (and lived there for a while) only to hold my head up high at how their blanket eschewing of bourgeois values only served to screw up their economies in stark comparison with neighbouring ones such as that of Austria, which had started out the brave new post-WW2 world from an economically weaker position until the crossover point (1968) in their respective economic fortunes saw the Austrians begin to lead the way economically over their commie neighbours.

Vuk originates from the other side of the economic curtain which in itself may suggest his need to continue cleansing himself of such values to this day.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

Both the cars I drive are white (when I bother to clean either of them otherwise they are decidedly an off-white/grey colour, but never black, or yellow. )

Not that I'm siding with anyone, as I like these grey/off-white shades.

I'll side with TC or Marco though, as these are decent people that I've met.

I've already heard JW's stack of glass and angle iron, and it sounded great with the equipment placed upon it, thank you!

As for his gardening otoh, I'll leave that to others...

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

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If that fails, my one-legged Afghani friend is anxiously awaiting a second mission.

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So your Afghani friend is an unwilling martyr then, especially as his brethren are just relieved to be rid of a regime which forbade them from doing what we all love here - listening to music.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

I don't think that TC has that yello thingie car any more.

And he's still not two-faced from my experience compared to others (an other individual) here that I've met.

It's time for bed now for me, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I've enjoyed our little chat here.

Regards,

Steve.

Let your ears do the talking, let your remote control do the walking...

Methinks that you're waging a one man campaign of hatred for some twisted personal reasons and I suspect most people on this forum will see you in a lesser light because of it.

One tip: grow up.

Based upon your recent contributions, I'd say that for a supposedly educated man you are one big intellectual disappointment.

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Vuk: P.S. When Mr Toy rushes to your side, you just know you've lost.

Anyone of honour and integrity who saw Vuk's now deleted attack on TC would probably have been disgusted by it.

This need have nothing to do with taking sides - except inasmuch as Vuk asks the forum to choose between TC and him - but it has everything to do with the standard of behaviour that forum members are prepared to accept.

Labelling a fellow forum member as a "c*nt" or "two-faced" or a "deplorable and vapid materialist (in the worst, bourgeois sense of the word)" is not the kind of behaviour that would be expected to win popularity or respect. Frankly, it is painful to see an intelligent, highly educated and apparently self-aware person demean himself in this way.

JD

OK folks, it's up to you if you want to side with Vuk - that doesn't really bother me.

However, I would like a bit of assistance about the DIN termination/cable use thing. So, if you can help then please, feel free.

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Let me clarify something.

You have and will retain a DNM preamp. You are buying a Moon(ie) CDP which is designed to go with the DNM. You have chosen not to use a DNM or Moon(ie) cable.

Why?

I recall a single other Nordost user posting here and he had had his CDS2 modified to use phonos. I really think you are in the wrong place if you seriously want advice on modifying Nordost.

So sell it and get something designed for the job.

Paul

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You have and will retain a DNM preamp. You are buying a Moon(ie) CDP which is designed to go with the DNM. You have chosen not to use a DNM or Moon(ie) cable.

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Uh, correct about the DNM, but where did you get the impression that I'm interested in buying the Moon CD player? It's (a) too expensive for what it is, IMHO, and (b) sounds worse than the cd player I'm buying.

I'm buying the Resolution Audio Opus 21, which is a very different beastie indeed from the Moon.

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I recall a single other Nordost user posting here and he had had his CDS2 modified to use phonos. I really think you are in the wrong place if you seriously want advice on modifying Nordost.

So sell it and get something designed for the job.

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Paul, I can see why you think this way, but trust me, the specifics of the cable are not the issue. I could be talking about any cable, more or less. What I want to know is relatively independent of the cable as such, rather being a question about the wiring options when multiple conductors are involved.

If you'd actually read the original post and thought about it, you'd see that I'm not asking about the Nordost cable - I'm asking about the principle of whether the number of conductors used would adversely affect the sound, and also when a fixed number of conductors are available, whether more should be allocated to the +ve than the -ve pins.

Sure, I could sell the Nordost and buy? What? I bought the cable (secondhand) and am delighted with the sound (as a Phono->Phono with Mayware DIN adaptor) but as I now know my cd source is going to offer the DIN output then I can safely have the wire reterminated.

No point in moving wires - I've not come across anything to touch it - and I know you disagree about the effects of cables, and that's fine as we're all allowed to be sceptical and some systems aren't so fussy about cabling - and if this is the case for you then you should rejoice, but alas in the real world cabling frequently makes significant differences to the sound.

So, rather than try to oust me from the forum just because I don't worship your particular philosophy (in the same way some religious fundamentalists refuse to see anything other than 'their God'), if you can't help with my questions then please feel free to read some other topic.

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Sorry, I thought it was 'Moon' but I couldn't remember. What interconnect do Resolution Audio and DNM recommend?

I still don't understand why you're asking the question here.

The Nordost cable blurb makes great mileage of its inductance and capacitance amongst other things. These factors are substantially influenced by the geometry, and you are proposing to mess with that. Nordost are the only people who can give you an answer, as I suggested to you yesterday. I assume you want your cable to continue to work as intended?

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but alas in the real world cabling frequently makes significant differences to the sound.

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A clue. 'The sound'. Discuss why the sound is irrelevant...

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So, rather than try to oust me from the forum just because I don't worship your particular philosophy (in the same way some religious fundamentalists refuse to see anything other than 'their God'), if you can't help with my questions then please feel free to read some other topic.

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You cannot resist an insult, can you?

Paul