King Crimson

I'm more of a Crimson browser. It doesn't all sit right with my ears. Have you by any chance heard the Court HDCD? I'm tempted. There's an excellent DVD and CD of Steve Hackett in Tokyo playing with John Wetton, Ian MacDonald, Chester Thompson, and Julian Colbeck where Court among others is given a good tight outing.

Cheers

Harry

I'm a KC lover to the extent that I replaced all the CD's with the HDCD versions. They are very good and I got most of them in a shop here for £5 each, new. Then I flogged the old ones off on Ebay and got my money back. Yeah, I wouldn't hesitate with getting the HDCD version of Court..but don't pay too much for it.

That's good to know. Thanks very much. Think I'll take a punt.

Cheers

Harry

Weird or what Rasher? I had a KC binge only last night (actually between 2 and 5 this morning)I like KC and I don't as a rule like much non-classical stuff.

Not the prettiest record cover in the world and surely a candidate for the ugliest?

Jung

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Jung

undoubtedly

Confusion will be my epitah.

My favourite King Crimson album is not really a KC album in the official sense but called "The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles and Fripp".



I'd also recommend The Brondesbury Tapes with a superb KC line-up: Judy Dyble (vocals), Ian McDonald (paino, flute), Robert Fripp (guitar), Peter Giles (bass) and Michael Giles (drums), Some of the recording quality is limited though it was done a Revox so it isn't too bad - music is very good.

Wow! I don't know those

They pre-date In the court of

I really enjoy the early King Crimson, In the Court, In the Wake of Poseiden, Lizard, Lark's Tongues, Starless and Red.

I never really took the the later stuff after Discipline though.

I recently bought the Great Deceiver box set which I have been enjoying. Those of you who like KC around the time of Lark's Tongues should check this out.

Scott

The only KC I've ever heard, or owned, is ITCOTCK, which I now have in its very latest remastering. Very fine, but I don't feel the need to buy, or hear, anything else by them.

G

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Originally posted by Scott in DC:
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I recently bought the Great Deceiver box set which I have been enjoying. Those of you who like KC around the time of Lark's Tongues should check this out.

Scott

Or try The Young Person's Guide To King Crimson - either way you get some great music.

I'm a KC lover, too!

Just bought this 4cd box (2live/2studio) and it's great. I enjoy the first years of KC, but also like their latest CD: Power To Believe.

Rasher,

I've just purchased 21st century schizoid band - pictures of a city (double cd) from Burning Shed. This is a well recorded, brilliantly played set of KC material primarily from the 69/71 era.

The band are Mel Collins; Ian Wallace; Jakko M. Jakszyk; Ian McDonald & Peter Giles. Not so much a tribute but re-incarnated band. I'd forgotten how good KC Sax performances could be, with Mel and Ian McD providing beauty and power. The big surprise for me was former Level 42 Guitarist Jakko. He captured the spirit of Mr R. Fripp and has a great voice, someware between Greg Lake & John Wetton.

The Tracks are:-

Disc One: Pictures Of A City; Cat Food; Let There Be Light; Cirkus; Spend Us Three; Cadence & Cascade;
The Court Of The Crimson King; Ladies Of The Road; Catleys Ashes; Formentera Lady; Sailors Tale

Disc Two: I Talk To The Wind; Epitaph; 21st Century Schizoid Man; Starless

The non KC tracks are:- Let There Be Light (Ian McD); Spend Us Three (Mel) and Catleys Ashes (Jacko)

Anyone who likes this KC period would not be disappointed with the live sound straight from the mixing desk.

Before I forget, the mellotron sound will make you go all misty eyed with nostalgia.

Denis

Beat has always been one of my favorites.
I had a real treat meeting Bill Bruford a year or so back. He was playing in NYC (his Earthworks Underground band) and my business partner was playing bass for him.
I told him I'd been a big fan since I was about 12. He sized me up for my age and said, "I get a lot of that."
Great show for sure.
They recorded the next night, I think the CD is about to be released.
David

Great stuff guys. Thanks Denis - I've ordered it (£7.11 incl. postage from the states).
Bill Bruford is a truly great drummer, but he's a big headed arrogant git. I loved Michael Giles's drumming best of all - so distinctive.
I was playing Providence on my ipod today as I walked to work.

Hi
Another one to look out for is McDonald and Giles, from the early seventies and very reminiscent of early KC (and none the worse for that).
Regards
Jim

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Originally posted by monkfish:
Hi
Another one to look out for is McDonald and Giles, from the early seventies and very reminiscent of early KC (and none the worse for that).
Regards
Jim

Good call - a superb album.

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Bill Bruford is a truly great drummer, but he's a big headed arrogant git.

When you're one of the best drummers out there, you're allowed to be a big headed arrogant git. BTW, I've met him a number of times and he seems OK to me.

A interesting read: In the Court of King Crimson

The first King Crimson I heard was In the Court of the Crimson King. That was such an amazing record for its time. I think that record tended to overshadow KC's later output.

I couldn't help thinking at the time of In the Court.. how far rock music had come in ten years. Compare most of the 1959 rock music with its themes of high school and 57 Chevys. Then ten years later we are presented with In the Court.. which is very far removed from the early rock. I can't really say that rock music has evolved at that pace since 1969's In the Court.

Scott

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I couldn't help thinking at the time of In the Court.. how far rock music had come in ten years. Compare most of the 1959 rock music with its themes of high school and 57 Chevys. Then ten years later we are presented with In the Court.. which is very far removed from the early rock. I can't really say that rock music has evolved at that pace since 1969's In the Court.

Scott

Too true...it's my humble opinion that 95% of rock's innovation happened between the years 1955 (Elvis, Buddy Holly etc.) and 1975 (Pink Floyds' Wish You Were Here, King Crimsons' USA), with the real hothouse stuff happening 1965-'69. What's happened since has been occasionally original, and occasionally good, but rarely both.

Very true. I hadn't ever really thought about it like that. I wonder what triggered it all?

Rasher

Philip Larkin famously observed that "sex was discovered in 1963". Oddly, so were The Beatles.

I think that these two things may have quite a lot to do with the phenomenon you discern.

Graham

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Bill Bruford is a truly great drummer, but he's a big headed arrogant git.

I think it's fairer to say that while he is not overly modest, he is not making himself out to be any better than he can (and does) prove.

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I loved Michael Giles's drumming best of all - so distinctive.

Crim has been the home for many amazing drummers. Giles' part in 21CSM is probably the most gloriously over the top I can think of by anyone. But there's no slouching in any Crim incarnation, up to and including the current one. Pat Mastelotto's work incorporating programmed percussion in the ProjeKcts was incredible.

Pete.

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Originally posted by Pete:
I think it's fairer to say that while he is not overly modest, he is not making himself out to be any better than he can (and does) prove.

He certainly is a fantastic drummer. I preferred Alan White in Yes though, but BB is a master. I just don't think there is a need for anyone to be dismissive and aloof as he is to his fans - (my best mate is a drum teacher and has met him with his pupils a few times). Anyway - let's leave that subject now - I'm sure he isn't a bad bloke, probably just doesn't know how to handle those situations.

Graham - Don't think The Beatles contributed much to that progression, as in the early days they were very much into the 3 minute single and matching suits - nothing really new at all - very much out of the old "Rock'n'Roll" era. And sex doesn't feature much in "Progressive Rock" either to be honest.