One has to learn from age.
Posted by: Massimo Bertola on 18 June 2010
Hi,
tomorrow it's my 57th birthday, and I just wanted to post here my very likely last post.
This has nothing to do with mt health, nor with the forum, or the people in it. It is just that I have nothing more to say in it.
I more and more often read posts by people who are thrilled, excited, involved, emotionally stirred by their Naim system (or by any other system, for that), and have come to the point where I seem to be reading news from another planet. Much as I have changed gear (and some know I have done it!), I still find home audio essentially boring. I can't even begin to understand what kind of excitement can come out of loudspeakers, be it SBLs, Arivas, Black lacquered N-Sats, maple N-Sats, Marten Desing Miles II or 40-years old AR4x (my present sounding boxes). As for the cherry N-Sats, they're still in their cartons.
Nor can I understand what is the musical difference between a Nait1 and a 202/200, or - for that - my present, 2ndhand rega Mira from 2001. I have had all, and a Nait XS, a 140, a 90, an AV2, a 175... The song remains the same. I have had the DVD5, which costed 20 times my Oppo DV980H, and which is the only Naim box that Silvia has openly hated because, she said, It changed your mood. But, you know what? I have loved it too, a bit. Naim boxes have this quality, they make you feel you have more or less reached audio home.
It is not, so, about Naim. I still love Naim gear, in fact I have just bought my third pair of Sats and will probably buy a UnitiQute, for the very good reason that it will allow me maximization of sources and minimization of cables, other than being - appunto - Qute. But it will be motivated by aesthetical, technical and commercial reasons. With due respect to Naim, I still think that music has sadly very little to do with home audio. And, as I have written before, I still strongly support my own convinction (conviction?) that with Naim it is not emotional listening, but intellectual listening.
Posts about upgrades depress me: people who asks for suggestions about how to spend their money, and other people that buy for them.
Posts about how wonderful all this is, just stir my envy. My musical life is preserved in boredom like a corpse in formaline. If you find it strange, it's because I forgot to mention that the second most distant thing from music, except home audio, is musical education.
Posts against Naim annoy me, because I like the gear, its looks, its >sound<, the ideas behind it.
So, because with age a certain capacity to accept evidency must come, I have come to accept that I will nevertheless buy Naim because it is the only brand that comes close to not boring me to death, and whose boxes give a certain je ne sais pas quoi to the rest of the furniture.
Tomorrow I'll have to attend a marriage, but it is not mine. Hopefully, it may rain a bit - I hate marriages. I wish the UK team the best in the World Cup.
Have a nice weekend,
Massimo
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Polarbear
quote:
tomorrow it's my 57th birthday, and I just wanted to post here my very likely last post.
Happy birthday for tomorrow.
Its a shame you are feeling this way, music should be pleasurable and forums should compliment this pleasure.
Sometimes we just need to go back to the basics and just enjoy music for what it is, forget about everything else and just enjoy. Some people can try to hard and miss the simple pleasures music can bring.
For me, life without music would be un-imaginable, whatever system it is played on.
If you don't come back, your posts have been a pleasure to read and I hope you enjoy what life has to offer you,
Regards
PB
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by James L
Great post.
But try this; get a couple of beers (or JD and coke) add some rock n roll (given your age, Sex Pistols?), turn the volume up on the Naim....and get involved.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by 151
Massimo,have you forgotten to take your antidepressants today.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Andy1912
I have to agree with you about marraiges - I have found every wedding that I have ever attended (including my own) tiresome; self-indulgent and largely a waste of money (and that money spent often for the worst of reasons). A friend of a friend got married on one of the Scottish Islands (say Isla or Harris, somehwere like that) then the two of them went down to the beach and drank a bottle of whisky. Now that's what I call a proper wedding....
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by scottyhammer
Massimo, Ignore 151's post......have you tried Valves ? worked for me.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Bloom
Tomorrow Holland will playing against Japan...also boring. I think I will go to the golf course, there will be much room to play. Drink a beer in the club house...may be this is boring for other people.
Birthday parties can be boring also.
Talking about upgrades and black boxes can be very boring, but I'm just a half year around on this forum.
So, I learned a lot here on this forum.
Thank you all for that.
But Massimo has made his point. We have to respect his choice. It's just hi-fi, a hobby. No more no less.
I will stay for a while.
And Massimo: thanks for your usefull contributions and comments. Happy birthday!!
For me? I have to admitt that I should be more often in the music room than in the Hi-fi-Corner.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by 151
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Originally posted by scottyhammer:
Massimo, Ignore 151's post......have you tried Valves ? worked for me.
and if you dont like valves try prozac.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Engelbert
Hi Maxbertola,
Pity you have become a bit gloomy in your mid-life - with so many years ahead of you that could (should!)be fun and rewarding.
May I suggest you take up some new hobbies. Give music/hifi a rest for perhaps 6-9 months and you might come back to it with new enthusiasm.
All the best for the future. (I've always enjoyed reading your posts.)
Engelbert
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by mongo
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Originally posted by 151:
quote:
Originally posted by scottyhammer:
Massimo, Ignore 151's post......have you tried Valves ? worked for me.
and if you dont like valves try prozac.
Harsh, uncaring, unnecessary and twattish words, 151.
What possible good do you think such sentiments can achieve?
Why on earth could you not simply keep fingers from keyboard?
Well?
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Richard Dane
Mongo, I think it's best not to pursue 151. Harsh words, perhaps, but I detect an attempt at humour, even if not entirely successful.
Massimo, I detect from your post that you are feeling pretty down about things and that can dampen enjoyment of everything. However, when I'm down I find that music can have a profound effect. Rarely does music change a mood, rather I find it complements it and allows me to indulge my emotions. It is the emotional aspect of music replay that is important to me, and here I find Naim is better than just about anything else, save for hearing the real thing played live.
Anyway, I hope you end up having an enjoyable birthday. Tomorrow is another day...
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by mongo
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Originally posted by Richard Dane:
Mongo, I think it's best not to pursue 151. Harsh words, perhaps, but I detect an attempt at humour, even if not entirely successful.
..
Not at all successfully, If so intended.
Vey well Richard, warning acknowledged.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by mikeeschman
Massimo, I too have run out of things to say for the moment. Once you have aired your views, there is no where to go in forum posts.
I hope that changes, as I have enjoyed this forum very much.
Good luck and happy birthday.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Dungassin
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I have to agree with you about marraiges - I have found every wedding that I have ever attended (including my own) tiresome; self-indulgent and largely a waste of money (and that money spent often for the worst of reasons). A friend of a friend got married on one of the Scottish Islands (say Isla or Harris, somehwere like that) then the two of them went down to the beach and drank a bottle of whisky. Now that's what I call a proper wedding....
If you want to attend a wedding which is a real ordeal, go to a Maltese one. I know - I've been to many over the years (Maltese wife), but luckily our own wedding was a very low-scale affair in Edinburgh with just a few friends and family.
Poor bride and groom. Bride gets completely taken over by the photographer/video man from waking on the day, to finally leaving the wedding. Groom doesn't get roped in until the church. Long and very tedious service (even more so if you don't speak the lingo). They are followed EVERYWHERE (except the loo, as far as I am aware!). Both look absolutely knackered by the end of the day.
As for the guests - usually finish sitting in various family groupings making "polite" conversation. We always try to leave as soon as the wedding cake is cut (bored to tears by then).
Bride's mother usually in state of total panic most of the day as well!
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by 151
of course it was humour.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by gone
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Originally posted by maxbertola:
Tomorrow I'll have to attend a marriage, but it is not mine. Hopefully, it may rain a bit - I hate marriages.
Maybe as one of your last contributions to this forum, you could describe what an Italian marriage consists of. It's something I might have to face in my near future
and any pointers would be appreciated
Buon compleanno domani!
Cheers
John
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by 151
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Originally posted by mongo:
quote:
Originally posted by 151:
quote:
Originally posted by scottyhammer:
Massimo, Ignore 151's post......have you tried Valves ? worked for me.
and if you dont like valves try prozac.
Harsh, uncaring, unnecessary and twattish words, 151.
What possible good do you think such sentiments can achieve?
Well?
might have made him laugh, maybe HE has a sense of humour you never know, made me laugh.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Sloop John B
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by pcstockton
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Originally posted by maxbertola:
the second most distant thing from music, except home audio, is musical education.
Nothing more boring than ear training.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by winkyincanada
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Originally posted by maxbertola:
Tomorrow I'll have to attend a marriage, but it is not mine. Hopefully, it may rain a bit - I hate marriages.
Have a nice weekend,
Massimo
Funny you should mention marriages, you negative git. I was married form the first time today, and I can honestly say it was the greatest day of my life. Leave the forum please. We don't need you here.
Winky
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by winkyincanada
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Originally posted by Andy1912:
I have to agree with you about marraiges - I have found every wedding that I have ever attended (including my own) tiresome; self-indulgent and largely a waste of money :
I have found just the opposite. I have enjoyed every wedding I have attended, including my own today (especially). It takes a special brand of negative person to not enjoy and celebrate a wedding.
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by Hook
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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
quote:
Originally posted by maxbertola:
Tomorrow I'll have to attend a marriage, but it is not mine. Hopefully, it may rain a bit - I hate marriages.
Have a nice weekend,
Massimo
Funny you should mention marriages, you negative git. I was married form the first time today, and I can honestly say it was the greatest day of my life. Leave the forum please. We don't need you here.
Winky
Winky -
Congrats! We now have something in common. Today (well, actually yesterday, like 30 minutes ago) was our 29th anniversary.
Had a wonderful evening holding my sweetie's hand and listening to older, melodic jazz.
Max -
Hope you feel better soon. Bye.
Hook
Posted on: 18 June 2010 by alidubai
Massim, have you tried some vinyl?
There is a school of thought that says that digital, even hi res is bland and boring. Although the very first time I heard naim during a demo, I found all the emotion there in the music, even with digital.
I for one do not plan to be bored at the age of 57, and have found music exciting and involving from the age of 5. It's been a 33 year relationship and music is such a part of my life that I will keep enjoying it till the very end.
I found Richard Dane's comment interesting in that he doesn't find it changes his mood, but rather allows a full exploration of one's feelings.
I sometimes take a break from music for a few days, and find that when I come back to it, all the magic is there. If you listen to music all the time, there is ear/brain fatigue...
Not sure if I've added anything of any value with my post, but I would encourage you to get the unitiqute and enjoy it, and not worry about it i.e. don't sell it and keep it for a long long time.
Posted on: 19 June 2010 by Massimo Bertola
Forumites,
what a bad idea to post my post. I only got a new enemy and a diagnosis of depression. All this because I said that home audio is boring and I dared to touch the subject of marriages.
Winkycanada, you know what's substantially wrong and unfair in your reply (and I don't mean the invitation to leave the forum, which comes a bit late): it doesn't take a Master of Logic to see it.
I don't know what was the greatest day of my life for the simple reason that I probably hope it is still to come. Suppose for me it was the day they publish my novel, and you said you hate reading: do you think I would write here inviting you to disappear?
What I don't particularly like in marriages, as in any other noisy ceremony, is the self indulging generalization of a personal thing, which destroys any chance of humor and elevates the momentary to universal: and that is also what spoiled your reply.
But I don't see how you could have avoided it.
My very best wishes for your new life.
M.
Posted on: 19 June 2010 by Naimiac
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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
it was the greatest day of my life.
Winky
And I suppose it is why you are spending part of it at the computer writing to a hifi forum.
N.
Posted on: 19 June 2010 by count.d
Max, perhaps your musical expectations are too high for your hifi budget?