Impressive or Insane?
Posted by: Steve B on 07 May 2003
Posted on: 09 May 2003 by Hermann
Mekon you made a connection I never talked about. And I guess you've got a wrong definition of NLP. You miss the point here because I do not use something to get something from somebody. I just got it.
BTW my partner is NLP trainer an Psychotherapist either.
@domfjbrown
Thats an interesting point. Most of us accept sport, traveling, whatever a partner will do and at the very beginning (when you fall in love) many other things you wouldnt accept later.
Why not say how it is in your life? Why not talking about what you want right from the beginning of a relationship?
And if there is one and obviously there is why dont you talk to her how it is in your life. You can only win in both ways!
Hermann
BTW my partner is NLP trainer an Psychotherapist either.
@domfjbrown
Thats an interesting point. Most of us accept sport, traveling, whatever a partner will do and at the very beginning (when you fall in love) many other things you wouldnt accept later.
Why not say how it is in your life? Why not talking about what you want right from the beginning of a relationship?
And if there is one and obviously there is why dont you talk to her how it is in your life. You can only win in both ways!
Hermann
Posted on: 09 May 2003 by Mekon
Sorry hermann, I though I saw that you did NLp on the Mana forum. My mistake.
Off at a tangent tho', could you not use NLP to manipulate people? I am a trainee health psych (halfway thru' my PhD), and systematically avoided abnormal and clinical psych courses during my degree. However, I did do 4 months work experience in a clinical department. They had a clinical psychologist who had done a postdoc diploma in hypnotherapy, and IIRC, NLP is a related technique. In the conversations I had with him, he suggested that you could manipulate people quite easily. Certainly the work I have done using priming, automatic processes, and prospective memory to manipulate dietary behaviour have been very effective.
Off at a tangent tho', could you not use NLP to manipulate people? I am a trainee health psych (halfway thru' my PhD), and systematically avoided abnormal and clinical psych courses during my degree. However, I did do 4 months work experience in a clinical department. They had a clinical psychologist who had done a postdoc diploma in hypnotherapy, and IIRC, NLP is a related technique. In the conversations I had with him, he suggested that you could manipulate people quite easily. Certainly the work I have done using priming, automatic processes, and prospective memory to manipulate dietary behaviour have been very effective.
Posted on: 09 May 2003 by Hermann
NLP is a collection of very successfully ways of kommunication. The founder Richard Bandler and John Grinder have had observed those very successfull therapists like Milton Erikson (Hypnotherapist), Carl R. Rogers (nondirectiv Therapie) and alot of other to find out whats the reason for there success. The result is NLP.
But und thats a big but there is nothing new in NLP. NLP is using your own resources. Very successful salesman do nothing else than using what we today describe as NLP! Nobody have had for example a particular description for success til about 15 years ago and now you can use the termns of NLP to say why you're successful and have the ability to it again very quickly.
Well you can manipulate but you can do it with or without NLP. A good example of manipulation is a well known Austrian politician in the present time. He's obviousily used NLP for manipulation.
On the other hand another politician (dictator) some 70 years ago in Germany didnt know anything about NLP but manipulated a nation.
Hypnotherapie is part of the NLP collection. It'll be used as an opposition of the Metamodel of language. Hypnosis language is very unclear, unsharp and open.
/.... he suggested that you could manipulate people quite easily. /
Thats the half of the truth. You can use it to manitpulate people but only in the way they accept it. Beyond that it's mentioned above.
Dont get me wrong. Every kind of kommunication is manipulation either. We do it all the days.
Cheers,
Hermann
P.S. Better do a search at Goggle for NLP. Cant explain it very good in English
[This message was edited by Hermann on FRIDAY 09 May 2003 at 14:22.]
But und thats a big but there is nothing new in NLP. NLP is using your own resources. Very successful salesman do nothing else than using what we today describe as NLP! Nobody have had for example a particular description for success til about 15 years ago and now you can use the termns of NLP to say why you're successful and have the ability to it again very quickly.
Well you can manipulate but you can do it with or without NLP. A good example of manipulation is a well known Austrian politician in the present time. He's obviousily used NLP for manipulation.
On the other hand another politician (dictator) some 70 years ago in Germany didnt know anything about NLP but manipulated a nation.
Hypnotherapie is part of the NLP collection. It'll be used as an opposition of the Metamodel of language. Hypnosis language is very unclear, unsharp and open.
/.... he suggested that you could manipulate people quite easily. /
Thats the half of the truth. You can use it to manitpulate people but only in the way they accept it. Beyond that it's mentioned above.
Dont get me wrong. Every kind of kommunication is manipulation either. We do it all the days.
Cheers,
Hermann
P.S. Better do a search at Goggle for NLP. Cant explain it very good in English
[This message was edited by Hermann on FRIDAY 09 May 2003 at 14:22.]
Posted on: 09 May 2003 by graphoman
Hermann, now it’s time for you to close your eyes and tell some 300 times: “I want to live with 2 Manas less…” “I want to live with 2 Manas less…”
Other joke on psychoterapy. Mr Smith gets mad, he think he’s Louis the XIV. All the family is crying. But comes the prof, and tells them: “don’t dispair, there is nothing impossible for the science!” He visits the patient, and comes back victoriously: “Now he thinks he’s only Louis the XII! Two of them are knocked off!”
graphoman
Other joke on psychoterapy. Mr Smith gets mad, he think he’s Louis the XIV. All the family is crying. But comes the prof, and tells them: “don’t dispair, there is nothing impossible for the science!” He visits the patient, and comes back victoriously: “Now he thinks he’s only Louis the XII! Two of them are knocked off!”
graphoman
Posted on: 12 May 2003 by Hermann
Well thats what psychotherapists do, talking as long as possible til the "client" has another problem and for that problem you've got of cource the answer. 
Hermann
Hermann
Posted on: 14 May 2003 by Shayman
A cardinal sin here I know to comment on something you've never heard (any mana support in my case), but am I the only one who thinks it looks shite? Must have to sit on a tennis umpires chair to listen. If the owner pretends he can hear a difference taking out one of those layers from under any component a trip to a paranoia-specialising psychiatrist may me in order.
I opt for insane.
Jonathan
I opt for insane.
Jonathan
Posted on: 14 May 2003 by Hermann
Jonathan,
it seems to me that you belongs to the fraction of seeing music than listening. Your whole comments are assumptions - nothing else.
You havent any clue how it sound and it seems you believe this very old bull...t that drivers has to be at ears level. Read my comment above.
No problem on this one. Thats my job. You can drop me a mail for a date.
Hermann
it seems to me that you belongs to the fraction of seeing music than listening. Your whole comments are assumptions - nothing else.
You havent any clue how it sound and it seems you believe this very old bull...t that drivers has to be at ears level. Read my comment above.
quote:
... a trip to a paranoia-specialising psychiatrist may me in order.
No problem on this one. Thats my job. You can drop me a mail for a date.
Hermann
Posted on: 14 May 2003 by Shayman
LOL!!Sorry Hermann
Didn't mean to offend. I do however listen to music for my pleasure not for system-analysis reasons.
S'ppose that's the musician in me and the psychiatrist in you. We're all different. Lovely flat you've got there by the way.
All the best,
Jonathan
Posted on: 14 May 2003 by Hermann
Taken
Well Jonathan thats interesting you're a musician. A friend of mine is a very successful producer in Europe and he's listen to my setup and was very excited. He builds record studios either and guess what happen with his next studio project.
Well different people differend tastes. Lets talk in this way and it'll be ok. You dont like the optical presentation that's fine by me.
During the last 25 years I listen to so many systems I cannot count. You know building a good sounding system which reach your expectations needs time. I found my way and my system. Thats all.
Cheers,
Hermann
Well Jonathan thats interesting you're a musician. A friend of mine is a very successful producer in Europe and he's listen to my setup and was very excited. He builds record studios either and guess what happen with his next studio project.
Well different people differend tastes. Lets talk in this way and it'll be ok. You dont like the optical presentation that's fine by me.
During the last 25 years I listen to so many systems I cannot count. You know building a good sounding system which reach your expectations needs time. I found my way and my system. Thats all.
Cheers,
Hermann