J*** Query - Haden, Towner, Jarret and Oregon
Posted by: Sloop John B on 02 May 2006
I'm listening to Jan Garbarek:rarum cd 2 for the 4th or 5th time now and there is some astonishingly wonderful and beautiful music on here.
I want to dip my toe in some of the albums and artists featured and would appreciate any advice, opinions or encouragement.
There is a great tune called Cego Aderaldo from "folk Songs" with Charlie Haden and Egberto Gismonti. I see Magico an earlier album with the same musicians is much favored. Is "Cego Aderaldo" indicative of these albums?
A very interesting piece called Oceanus from Solstice - Ralph Towner. This led me to Oregon. Any similarity between Oregon and Weather Report?
Apart from an old tape of Koln Concert I have no Jarret at all. I thought Belonging and particularly "my song" were truly beautiful. Do the 2 albums of the same name contain similar material?
My lack of knowledge in this area is pretty absolute but I am really enjoying hearing music quite different to most of my collection and would appreciate someone taking my hand and leading me (or at least telling me where not to step)
Thanks
John
SJB
I want to dip my toe in some of the albums and artists featured and would appreciate any advice, opinions or encouragement.
There is a great tune called Cego Aderaldo from "folk Songs" with Charlie Haden and Egberto Gismonti. I see Magico an earlier album with the same musicians is much favored. Is "Cego Aderaldo" indicative of these albums?
A very interesting piece called Oceanus from Solstice - Ralph Towner. This led me to Oregon. Any similarity between Oregon and Weather Report?
Apart from an old tape of Koln Concert I have no Jarret at all. I thought Belonging and particularly "my song" were truly beautiful. Do the 2 albums of the same name contain similar material?
My lack of knowledge in this area is pretty absolute but I am really enjoying hearing music quite different to most of my collection and would appreciate someone taking my hand and leading me (or at least telling me where not to step)
Thanks
John
SJB
quote:Originally posted by Sloop John B:
At times the playing is like hearing one homogenous super guitar
Speaking of homogenous super guitars, it occurs to me that you might really dig this:
The Sound of Summer Running
Two guitarists, Bill Frisell and Pat Metheny, often playing as one super guitar ... great rhythm section, great tunes, diverse palette ... one of my all-time favorite albums.
Fred
HR,
here's another good one for Haden fans...
with Don Cherry and Ed Blackwell.
Sloop,
keep it coming.
PACE
here's another good one for Haden fans...
with Don Cherry and Ed Blackwell.
Sloop,
keep it coming.
PACE
"If You Look Far Enough" - Andersen / Towner / Vasconcelos
The sleeve notes show this was recorded in 88, 91 and 92 and unfortunately this takes away any album feel from it.
If you bought this for Towner you would be disappointed, from the point of view of quantity, as he only appears on a quarter of the tracks (for me the best tracks - especially Main Man)
Bass is very much predominantly the lead instrument on this album and it doesn't really involve me enough. (No reflection of the quality of the playing) Without being able to articulate why, this is quite a different bass to Gary Peacock's. (and from this example it would be Peacock I prefer).
There are 2 tracks on here form a soundtrack and some others have a "soundtracky" feel. I'm not a great lover of atmospheric music, you probably got the idea by now I prefer rhythmic music.
There are 3 traditional folk songs which are growing on me with repeated listenings with a nice interplay of bass and drums.
Overall for me this is not as involving or interesting as some of the above albums (sorry parmenides and expat) and I can appreciate that if you were in the mood some of the tracks here are very atmospheric but in the end it doesn't hang together as a cohesive album.
I do love Main Man though! and Backe is pretty good too.
SJB
The sleeve notes show this was recorded in 88, 91 and 92 and unfortunately this takes away any album feel from it.
If you bought this for Towner you would be disappointed, from the point of view of quantity, as he only appears on a quarter of the tracks (for me the best tracks - especially Main Man)
Bass is very much predominantly the lead instrument on this album and it doesn't really involve me enough. (No reflection of the quality of the playing) Without being able to articulate why, this is quite a different bass to Gary Peacock's. (and from this example it would be Peacock I prefer).
There are 2 tracks on here form a soundtrack and some others have a "soundtracky" feel. I'm not a great lover of atmospheric music, you probably got the idea by now I prefer rhythmic music.
There are 3 traditional folk songs which are growing on me with repeated listenings with a nice interplay of bass and drums.
Overall for me this is not as involving or interesting as some of the above albums (sorry parmenides and expat) and I can appreciate that if you were in the mood some of the tracks here are very atmospheric but in the end it doesn't hang together as a cohesive album.
I do love Main Man though! and Backe is pretty good too.
SJB
Garbarek / Jarrett / Danielson / Christensen - Belonging
This strange as it may seem to some is my first Jarrett album. I had come to it with an impression of Jarrett as a very serious artist and almost expected to be educated rather than entertained. How does one come to these preconceptions?
Needless to say most of you reading this will be intimately aware of this album so I feel a bit of a con even trying to describe it but here goes anyway.
The first thing that I noticed was the playfulness, the humour even in tracks like Spiral Dance and The Windup. Much more rhythmic than I had expected, and brilliant changes of direction in them where (it appeared to me) composed gave way to improvisation, but not the night and day changes that are on some Jazz albums I have. These changes were as seamless as I've come across.
It took a few listenings to get used to the pace changes on the album, which crudely can be divided into 3 fast and 3 slow tracks. As you have probably ascertained from this thread I would naturally veer towards the faster rhythmic tracks and this dichotomy of sounds necessitated several listenings for me to hear the magnificence of Blossom and Solstice. (Belonging is a beautiful short piece which I had already heard on Garbareck's :rarum).
Either would probably be worth the price of admission alone but I particularly think Solstice is a truly magnificent piece.
I'm buying CDs at a remarkable rate but obviously I will have to put some more Jarrett on the next shopping list particularly that I found my preconceptions so shattered.
SJB
This strange as it may seem to some is my first Jarrett album. I had come to it with an impression of Jarrett as a very serious artist and almost expected to be educated rather than entertained. How does one come to these preconceptions?
Needless to say most of you reading this will be intimately aware of this album so I feel a bit of a con even trying to describe it but here goes anyway.
The first thing that I noticed was the playfulness, the humour even in tracks like Spiral Dance and The Windup. Much more rhythmic than I had expected, and brilliant changes of direction in them where (it appeared to me) composed gave way to improvisation, but not the night and day changes that are on some Jazz albums I have. These changes were as seamless as I've come across.
It took a few listenings to get used to the pace changes on the album, which crudely can be divided into 3 fast and 3 slow tracks. As you have probably ascertained from this thread I would naturally veer towards the faster rhythmic tracks and this dichotomy of sounds necessitated several listenings for me to hear the magnificence of Blossom and Solstice. (Belonging is a beautiful short piece which I had already heard on Garbareck's :rarum).
Either would probably be worth the price of admission alone but I particularly think Solstice is a truly magnificent piece.
I'm buying CDs at a remarkable rate but obviously I will have to put some more Jarrett on the next shopping list particularly that I found my preconceptions so shattered.
SJB
I'm totally "with you", Sloop... See also this post
myself:
and later (VERY curious, already...)
cheers
Stefan
myself:
and later (VERY curious, already...)
cheers
Stefan
John,
It is great that everyone has its own taste. this is the reason why the world is interesting
If you like "belonging" you will love other records of this quartet: 'personal mountains', 'nude ants' and the most important for me: "my song".
I have almoust all records of Jarrett for ecm. If you like gary peacock you problebly know jarrett trio (with Peacock and DeJohnette). The music of this trio has two main directions: jazz standards and contemoprary music. i dont know what is better. But imho there are two special records among them: "tribute" - beautiful double concert album with standards and the second is "changless" - it is like trans music, very special for me. they play the same fraze in many diffrent ways and it is one of the most involving album.
Of course Jarrett recorded also great solo albums, but it is another story...
best
It is great that everyone has its own taste. this is the reason why the world is interesting
If you like "belonging" you will love other records of this quartet: 'personal mountains', 'nude ants' and the most important for me: "my song".
I have almoust all records of Jarrett for ecm. If you like gary peacock you problebly know jarrett trio (with Peacock and DeJohnette). The music of this trio has two main directions: jazz standards and contemoprary music. i dont know what is better. But imho there are two special records among them: "tribute" - beautiful double concert album with standards and the second is "changless" - it is like trans music, very special for me. they play the same fraze in many diffrent ways and it is one of the most involving album.
Of course Jarrett recorded also great solo albums, but it is another story...
best