Can an Englishman love the playing of an italian pianist?
Posted by: mikeeschman on 29 March 2009
Englishmen seem to prefer english orchestras above all others, but are their hearts open to italian pianists? :-) (straw poll)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by u5227470736789439
Like the piano or not, does it make any difference what nationality the player of the piano is?
Personally I do not like the piano in the main, though there is a good deal of grand music played on it. I dislike the compromised tuning of it where all the semi-tones of the scale are the proportionally and mathematically similar, as this does not fit with just intonation.
Thus for me a group of string players or a good choir will always have the potential to please me more.
Horses for course, and I am sure many English people like piano music, played by Italians, Japanese, Danes, or indeed any nationality of pianist.
I think it is reasonable to say that there is no obvious tendency to national styles of playing any more.
ATB from George
Personally I do not like the piano in the main, though there is a good deal of grand music played on it. I dislike the compromised tuning of it where all the semi-tones of the scale are the proportionally and mathematically similar, as this does not fit with just intonation.
Thus for me a group of string players or a good choir will always have the potential to please me more.
Horses for course, and I am sure many English people like piano music, played by Italians, Japanese, Danes, or indeed any nationality of pianist.
I think it is reasonable to say that there is no obvious tendency to national styles of playing any more.
ATB from George
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by Ian G.
quote:Originally posted by GFFJ:
I dislike the compromised tuning of it where all the semi-tones of the scale are the same, as this does not fit with just intonation.
ATB from George
Perhaps because I don't understand what that means I rather like the piano
Ian ( who's not an Englishman)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
i actually thought this thread would get a laugh!
and i do think Italian pianists have a touch that is quite distinctive and instantly recognizable.
GFFJ, the list of music you do not like grows longer!
and i do think Italian pianists have a touch that is quite distinctive and instantly recognizable.
GFFJ, the list of music you do not like grows longer!
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by naim_nymph
I expect an Englishwoman would like an Italian pianist! 
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by Cheese
*laugh!!!*quote:Originally posted by mikeeschman:
and i do think Italian pianists have a touch that is quite distinctive and instantly recognizable.
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by naim_nymph:
I expect an Englishwoman would like an Italian pianist!![]()
finally i get my laugh :-) thank you ...
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by Cheese:*laugh!!!*quote:Originally posted by mikeeschman:
and i do think Italian pianists have a touch that is quite distinctive and instantly recognizable.
and again :-)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by Lontano
I love the piano playing of Enrico Pieranunzi
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by Lontano:
I love the piano playing of Enrico Pieranunzi
live in paris ---> i fall in love too easily, and but not for me.
very nice, and he has the same velvety beautiful touch as classical Italian pianist :-)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by soundsreal
I love Arturo B Michaelangeli, and of course, Maurizio Pollini! Not that I'm an englishman, but close enough...From all the British movies I've seen, I thought the British loved Italian things...so I assume ,with Joan Plowwright's voice in my head ,that they would...
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by soundsreal:
I love Arturo B Michaelangeli, and of course, Maurizio Pollini!
these two are my favorites.
you have excellent taste :-)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by Oldnslow
I expect if you did a blindfold test ( the method by which all reviews should be conducted), not one person would be able to consistently identify the country of origin of any good pianist or any other classical instrumental musician. Many jazz musicians, including pianists, on the other hand, are almost instantly recognizable if one is knowledgeable about the music.
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by Oldnslow:
I expect if you did a blindfold test ( the method by which all reviews should be conducted), not one person would be able to consistently identify the country of origin of any good pianist or any other classical instrumental musician. Many jazz musicians, including pianists, on the other hand, are almost instantly recognizable if one is knowledgeable about the music.
i would like to take that test :-)
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:Originally posted by munch:
Is Claudio Arrau Italian?
he is from argentia, and i believe he is spanish heritage. he is the first one i heard do all the beethoven piano sonatas. i still have those on Plillips LPs. They are wonderful.
is he a favorite?
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by 'haroldbudd'
I have just found my Phillips LPs.quote:Originally posted by munch:
I have just pulled all my classical records out of my rack to see if i have any Italian pianists.
Will report back if i find one.
Did find my DECCA Ashkenazy plays Chopin LP though .
Its on now.
Now that is odd ! I just came across that very exact same album about an half an hour ago. I have spent the entire day packing up my vinyl collection ( not fun ) for an overseas move, and I am in the classical section now. Also came across a Decca Ashkenazy box. You wouldn't by any chance be wearing jeans and drinking Coca-Cola with a big roll of boxing tape in your hand right now Stu ? That would be Coen brothers creepy !
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by soundsreal
Claudio Arrau is definitely not Italian...I have rarely liked him. He has ruined more pieces than I care to remember.
I'm inclined to think I could pass the test. You can almost always pinpoint a female player.
I can usually tell the Americans.
It's those damn Australians you have to watch out for, they're very chameleon-like; they sometimes sound English, sometimes American.
Anyone south of the border I can usually tell as well, hence my definite no to Arrau...and it's generally easy to tell a Russian or French. The earlier Asians had absolutely no soul, and easily stood out, now they have more panache but are usually more strident, like lang lang, he's a good show, nothing more. Well, I think I just laid my tastes out on the line....
I'm inclined to think I could pass the test. You can almost always pinpoint a female player.
I can usually tell the Americans.
It's those damn Australians you have to watch out for, they're very chameleon-like; they sometimes sound English, sometimes American.
Anyone south of the border I can usually tell as well, hence my definite no to Arrau...and it's generally easy to tell a Russian or French. The earlier Asians had absolutely no soul, and easily stood out, now they have more panache but are usually more strident, like lang lang, he's a good show, nothing more. Well, I think I just laid my tastes out on the line....
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by 'haroldbudd'
quote:Originally posted by soundsreal:
Claudio Arrau is definitely not Italian...I have rarely liked him. He has ruined more pieces than I care to remember.
Anyone south of the border I can usually tell as well, hence my definite no to Arrau......
"His ancestor Lorenzo de Arrau was sent to Chile by King Carlos III of Spain. Through his great-grandmother, MarĂa del Carmen Daroch del Solar, Arrau was a descendant of the Campbells of Glenorchy, a Scottish noble family"
Is the border you refer to the south of Iceland or has the Iberian peninsula moved far south ? just having fun
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by MilesSmiles
You're asking a German? 
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by soundsreal
No, my border in question would be the equator
and in fairness to Mr. A my growing dislike came when my local classical station played him more often than I cared for; someone at the station obviously liked him. Someone should have donated some Ivan Morevec.
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by 'haroldbudd'
Oh haha ! OK, I did not know he was German ,usually over here when you hear the expression " south of the border " it means below Texas so I assumed he was American.
Northern most point of Spain is 43.47 degrees North
Germany's southern-most point is 47 degrees North
Wow, fantastic ears soundsreal ! That is close !
Northern most point of Spain is 43.47 degrees North
Germany's southern-most point is 47 degrees North
Wow, fantastic ears soundsreal ! That is close !
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by soundsreal
Thanks, I do what I can!
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by 'haroldbudd'
[/QUOTE
Where are you moving to?
I hope its some where warm.
Stu[/QUOTE]
I am actually moving to Berlin, which ironically is in Germany !........ I am originally from the northern tip of Spain (freezing in the winter actually).....but I am in southern Canada at the moment . I am very frightened of shipping all of this vinyl, I think I am doing it right ( the packing) but just hope the carrier does not sink or crash.... that would be devastating. Gear can be replaced but a lifetime collection....I do not want to think about it.
Where are you moving to?
I hope its some where warm.
Stu[/QUOTE]
I am actually moving to Berlin, which ironically is in Germany !........ I am originally from the northern tip of Spain (freezing in the winter actually).....but I am in southern Canada at the moment . I am very frightened of shipping all of this vinyl, I think I am doing it right ( the packing) but just hope the carrier does not sink or crash.... that would be devastating. Gear can be replaced but a lifetime collection....I do not want to think about it.
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by Lontano:
I love the piano playing of Enrico Pieranunzi
Yes, and Stefano Bollani, too.
Best,
Fred
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by soundsreal:
You can almost always pinpoint a female player.
How so?
Fred
Posted on: 29 March 2009 by MilesSmiles
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by Lontano:
I love the piano playing of Enrico Pieranunzi
Yes, and Stefano Bollani, too.
Best,
Fred
Stefano sure has my vote of confidence.