What equipment supports do you use and do you aspire to something else?

Posted by: Alex S. on 19 November 2001

We talk a lot here about stands and supports. We all agree that something to put your equipment on is better than nothing. Naim's latterday advice that it all sounds great on the shagpile is a memory.

So I'm asking the question because I'm genuinely interested in what people are using and whether they are happy. There is so much to choose from ranging from Fraim and Wilson Benesch to the late Brian D's warped home made attempt to the late Vuk's majestic creations to Blzebub's . . . hold on a minute, why are so many stand characters no longer with us?

I digress. For the record I have a sawn up SO rack with a sheet of ally and three SoundFrames for the LP12. A 4 tier standard Base rack for CDS2/Linto/DVL100/Lingo and a 3 tier standard Base rack for the DVHX1.2 and CDPS (with an empty shelf between them).

I have Nordost Pulsar Points under the CDS2 & CDPS and 2 Base platforms under the CDP just for fun.

Each of the 3 stands is as far apart as the leads allow.

I am happy with the above arrangement and do not aspire to anything different.

I am fortunate to listen at work and not care what anything looks like.

Alex

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Paul Stephenson
"Naim's latterday advice that it all sounds great on the shagpile is a memory."

Not much of memory! we never said that.

"I am happy with the above arrangement and do not aspire to anything different"

I guess it is well matched to your system. Well done.

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by JosephR
I use Particular racks with the high-performance acrylic shelves, am happy with them, and would want more as the system expands - sheesh, power supply for this, power supply for that ...
Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Steve G
My main system lives on a Target Audio 5 tier rack. The only change I'm likely to make is to get a wall-mounted table for my turntable and possibly an isolation table to go on the top of the rack. I accept that racks can and do make a difference (and my turntable certainly could do with more isolation) but I'd really rather not become a sad Mana/QS fanatic!

My home cinema system is mounted on a fairly expensive Stands Unique rack. It's a lovely bit of furniture but not what I'd regards as hi-fi.

Most of the components in my bedroom system are heaped onto a little side-table (except the DAC which is on the floor at the side).

Regards
Steve

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Dev B
I use projekt stands for my Naim boxes and a Mana Reference/Power Supply table for my LP12. Looks and sound were important for me and the system had to be unobtrusive at home. I have had a other stand systems at home before (Mana, Audiotech, etc) and while they are very good, I feel no desire to change.

Dev

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Andrew Randle
Got: Sound Org
Will get: Hutter

Fraims are just too wide and twiddly for me.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
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Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Tony L
Job done.

I'm using a 5 tier QS Ref with black shelves and silver pillars, and I have it stacked from the top Rega P9, CDX, Tom Evans Microgroove, Nait 2, P9 PSU. The mains block and CDX lead is Music Works, all other cabling is Naim. I am absolutely delighted with this system, and now have no real desire to upgrade other than two remaining tweaks: I am going to get the 'bog seat' modification done to four out of my five shelves (my phono stage would fall through the hole, so I ain't getting that shelf done!), and I also want to get my amp recapped and serviced within the next year as its about due for one.

That is it. I'm done. I'm happy, and am stopping at this point unless I become bizarrely rich. Any additional money that I come across will used on records and other areas - I would like a fretless, and an acoustic guitar bass (hmmm, what about a fretless acoustic?), a Minimoog would be nice, and I've always fancied a Rick 4001, a digital camera would be cool too… Oh God, this is going to be just as bloody expensive as hi-fi…

Tony.

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Pete, Mad Bad and Dangerous to Know
Hi,

I use a home made Ash design clone (750*1000mm) in beech and steel and a smaller one for the TV cable box DVD video, sounds cracking it just keeps getting better and better at the moment don't know why, and don't care just as long as it keeps it up.

pete (DIY or Die)

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Malcolm Davey
Have used target wall stand for the Linn and a Target two tier for the rest in the past. All were a big improvement on the coffee table!

Currently use a Mana Reference for the Linn and a modified Sound Organisation 6 tier for everything else. Would like to get an Ash design (appearance and price!!) Ideally would like a home trial of this - know any deakers who would oblige??

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Steve Toy
I am curently using a five-shelf QS Reference table. THe equipment is arranged in the following order from top to bottom:-

1) CD5 - soon to be replaced by a CDX.

2) Densen B200 preamp.

3) Rega Fono, Rega Ear.

4) Flatcap2 - this will soon disappear along with its shelf.

5) Densen B300 power amp.

The shelves will have the holes cut in them at the earliest opportunity, and I may stick a shelf under my MW block.

Oh, and my turntable (P25) will eventually have its own QS Ref. wallshelf to replace the one by Rega which happens to be ferrous.

It's always a nice day for it wink Have a good one! smile
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal. wink

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Erik
HAD: lots of MANA

HAVE: FRAIM and more music

DID: get banned from MANA forum

/Erik

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Jez Quigley
I use some quite nice furniture which thinks it is an equipment stand. I've modded it so that the solid wood shelves are decoupled from the heavy metal frame by some springy rubbery stuff. I have nothing to compare it with, but it sounds as good/better than any furniture should. Problem is, there is not enough space on it. The 72 has to share a shelf with the Karik, and the Hi-cap shares a shelf with the 250. So new racks are the next major purchase. The (un)holy trinity of WAF, sound, and price, limits the choices available, but the QS demo at Manchester has made it easy.

[This message was edited by Jez Quigley on MONDAY 19 November 2001 at 15:53.]

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Mike Hanson
I was really happy with the CDS2 on phase 4 and 52 on phase 3. I had to tear my system down in preparation for the painting of my listening room a couple of days ago, and now I'm in the process of assembling two stacks of Mana (compared to one before). All of the gear will be on Mana (phase 5 through 3), and I have high hopes.

Since I'm not a fan of Mana's looks, I've got it hidden in the closet (which makes setup even more challenging). If my gear had to be in the open, I would probably switch to a Fraim.

BTW, very recent tests have shown that my system sounds good even on the proverbial shagpile. smile Since both Mana and the Fraim were designed with Naim electronics as the main "tenant", I'm sure that both support systems will provide a worthwhile boost in performance.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Steve B
Home made wall shelving from local DIY store + 12mm MDF.

Never heard Fraim, never heard Mana.

What you've never heard, you'll never miss.

Steve B

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Tony Lockhart
3 legged Soundstyle 4 tier, with the glass shelves replaced with 20mm marble. It was all that was available in Saudi at the time, and I didn't know there could be such a difference. Still, my wife does like the thing, so there's a battle won!
Tony
Posted on: 19 November 2001 by jpk73
looks good, not expensive...!

Would like to upgrade to Fraim in the future...

Jun

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by bob atherton
Got Hutter. Love it. Why re-invent the wheel?

Bob.

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Alex S.
I'm glad noone's fallen out yet.

Is anyone(else) using marble, granite and or slate supports or shelves?

I use hne granite speaker stands and they're excellent. I know hne make wood/granite equipment supports but I haven't heard them (I was advised that they produce a bright sound with Naim. Not sure if I believe that).

Alex

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Top Cat
Had: QS (non Ref), Target, home-brew

Have: Mana

Like-the-look-of: Fraim (but haven't heard)

Will be conducting some tests in the near future to try out this 'tune' thing once and for all. I need a non-ferrous option for my DNM anyhow, but I could get away with a single shelf, say.

I am looking forward to hearing the competition again (and Fraim for the first time).

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Rico
I have: Soundorg 2-tier, Micheal Green Designs Roomtunes Justarack Jr., Mana 6-tier, Mana Wallshelf.

I use: the amazing Ricorack non-ferrous support system.

I aspire to: non-rack magnetic levitation support system. No more w*n#ing on about better racks. roll eyes

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by dave simpson
Steadying myself after reading TC will look at this "tune" thing....

Ok. Got Fraim...and keepin' Fraim. Will even buy more Fraim if me box count ever goes up.


dave

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Thomas K
Have: the infinitely austere and functional (= cool) looking Pagode (standard version) by finite elemente.

Have never seen or heard: Mana, the mythical beast.

Want: Fraim because a brief comparison showed it to be a great deal better (and a good deal more expensive; maybe when I’m old)

Thomas

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Chris Metcalfe
Have: Project B4 for the Naim CD, amp and tuner; ancient Target TT2 for the LP12 and Armageddon.

Would quite like: a small amount of Fraimage for the CDX and the more critical other units. Dubious about putting an LP12 on such a demanding (setup-wise) stand. Also currently unable to accomodate the Fraim's width. Would keep the Projekt anyway as it's an attractive and useful unit.

Question: after the CD transport, what is the order of criticality among Naim system components to be Fraimed? E.g., if you had 3 Fraim shelves, what would you put on them?

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Rico
John - you are too kind.

Gravity Neutralized Weightlessness - hey - where can I get me some of that? Is there a forum? cool Or is a space shuttle one of the required setup parameters?

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Top Cat
Dave, you wrote:

quote:
Steadying myself after reading TC will look at this "tune" thing....

You shouldn't be surprised - I'm always game to look for ways to improve what I have; if I felt for one second that Mana was indeed 'ruining' the tune then I'd sell it. Plain and simple. That's why I will settle this for myself once and for all and hear the 'big three' - QS Ref, Fraim and Mana. Of course, I have heard the QS Ref and Mana before - but the Fraim will be new to me.

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 19 November 2001 by Mike Sae
I have: Standesign 5 modded with spikes for each
shelf.

I use: Neuance shelves for the CDX and 72.

I want: A Fraim, all Black, Sometime in
the far future.