Naim DC1 Direction

Posted by: Holty on 22 August 2010

Is there a direction for this cable? like the SNAICs?
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by pcstockton
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My statement wasn't meant to be sarcastic or condescending at ell.


"May be I should check my Ethernet cable."

"...just think it is pseudo science"

"Just saying that they listen to each batch of cable and decide sounds utterly unreliable for me."

"does everything about audio have to be an enigma?"

"You are not allowed to ask questions here. people don't like you when you do that."

No sarcasm or condescension huh?
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by pcstockton
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Or it is just your nature to act like white blood cell whenever someone ask questions?


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And why is this about me?


Not about you at all.

I gave my opinion on a question very innocuously. My point was that digital cables (the subject of the post) shouldn't be handled any differently than analog interconnect as they are the SAME THING. Many people hear a difference when the NACA is turned around the wrong way. I think most connect up the Hiline the right way. So why not a DC-1?

You started quoting me and in so doing started the dialog. What do you want from me?

I suggest you use the "ignore" feature if you loathe my involvement.

Have a great day.
-patrick
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by JYOW
>>>>> My statement wasn't meant to be sarcastic or condescending at ell. >>>>> That was a response my comments about Julian. Not about my response to your typical ballistic comments.

>>>. "May be I should check my Ethernet cable." >>>> That is a valid question actually.

>>>> "...just think it is pseudo science" >>>>>>> I went on to say "If it isn't, it should be explained."

>>>> "Just saying that they listen to each batch of cable and decide sounds utterly unreliable for me." >>>>>> Criticism is not allowed? That is a valid concern. What if Roy had a few drinks the night before? Or had a bad night?

>>>> "does everything about audio have to be an enigma?" >>>> That was a question in respond to yours.

>>>> "You are not allowed to ask questions here. people don't like you when you do that." >>> Again to you

>>>> No sarcasm or condescension huh? >>> Yes to you, in response to yours. Look at my other posts.
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by js
oops
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by JYOW
>>I suggest you use the "ignore" feature if you loathe my involvement.

No need for that. I am done.
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by js
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Originally posted by JYOW:
js

Who demanded answers, definitely no one demanded that sort of "answers".

I am just not happy with the predictability of people jumping in whenever others ask question, most times not even questioning, about Naim.
Your quote. "just think it is pseudo science. If it isn't, it should be explained."

It's not the first time it's come up and you are aware that there are no complete explanations. It's a positional stance of demanding proof. No more, no less. It's fine if that's what you require but don't you can't have it both ways.

I honestly don't care which direction you run your own cables. Smile
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by Holty
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Originally posted by Richard Dane:
Likesmusic,

in each case of a new batch of cable, whether it be DC1, interconnect, Burndy, or whatever, some representative lengths are first cut from the reel (noting the notional direction very carefully) and made into test leads. They are then given to Roy George who listens to them - a couple of samples in one direction and a couple in the opposite direction. From this, Roy can very consistently determine the "right" direction of the cable. By "right direction" I mean the direction that is preferred by Naim.

Due to the way the cables are made, each batch should be entirely consistent for direction but the samples are taken at various points to be sure.

Speaker cable is a big problem due to the fact that the manufacturer has to print the direction on the outer insulation. There are very specific instructions and processes monitored by Naim at the manufacturer to ensure the direction is consistent, however, mistakes have been known in the past, and after listening (as above), entire batches of 1000m or more have had to be scrapped. Thankfully this is a rare occurrence.


WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ROY GEORGE IS NO LONGER WITH US??!!!!

Cool
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by rich46
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Originally posted by Holty:
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Dane:
Likesmusic,

in each case of a new batch of cable, whether it be DC1, interconnect, Burndy, or whatever, some representative lengths are first cut from the reel (noting the notional direction very carefully) and made into test leads. They are then given to Roy George who listens to them - a couple of samples in one direction and a couple in the opposite direction. From this, Roy can very consistently determine the "right" direction of the cable. By "right direction" I mean the direction that is preferred by Naim.

Due to the way the cables are made, each batch should be entirely consistent for direction but the samples are taken at various points to be sure.

Speaker cable is a big problem due to the fact that the manufacturer has to print the direction on the outer insulation. There are very specific instructions and processes monitored by Naim at the manufacturer to ensure the direction is consistent, however, mistakes have been known in the past, and after listening (as above), entire batches of 1000m or more have had to be scrapped. Thankfully this is a rare occurrence.


WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ROY GEORGE IS NO LONGER WITH US??!!!!

Cool
must be the george electronic theory
Posted on: 24 August 2010 by Mark Dunn
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ROY GEORGE IS NO LONGER WITH US??!!!!

Cool[/QUOTE] must be the george electronic theory[/QUOTE]

Oh the NaimUniti!

Mark
Posted on: 25 August 2010 by Richard Dane
Holty,

While I know his modest nature will make reading this somewhat uncomfortable for him, I have the utmost respect for Roy as an engineer, erstwhile colleague, and friend. If the worst was to befall him then it would be a tragic loss, no question.

However, Naim is not just about one person, it is all about teamwork, no more so than in R&D. The whole is much greater than the sum of the individuals. Without mentioning any specific names, there are some really talented engineers there who really do have a fundamental understanding of what Naim is about and what they are trying to achieve. My personal opinion is that Naim's R&D is in very safe hands.
Posted on: 25 August 2010 by Holty
Richard,

Good to hear Winker