The new Naim DAC

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

While we take the views of forum members seriously there is a bigger world out there. I think the "upsurge in general DAC popularity" might have manifested itself out there for all to see.

There is no concession here - I have CLAIMED it as a factor. It would be a bizarre company that decided to develop a DAC when no popularity existed.

Whatever your choice of words - my point is that you are insulting the intelligence of forum members by claiming that the Lavry's popularity has little or nothing to do with this product. As I say, I don't see why it is so important to you to continue to insist that there is no connection - your determination to continue arguing the point speaks for itself as far as I am concerned.

And as far as I am concerned this is the end of this puerile discussion- I have better things to do with my time. Frankly, I couldn't care less what the reason for development is or was - the quality of the product in both absolute and VFM terms is much more important to me (and should be to you too).

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the whole issue seems rather childish to me

kettle and pot does spring to mind here

Boy and they say I have angst whenever the Lavry is mentioned.

I think that the word LAVRY should be stricken from all forum records and forbidden from use as well.

Adam, so shall it be written, so shall it be done!!!!

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Adam, I was not querying what you have said. Only what baz100 posted.

AllenB I was alluding to the fact that I was expecting comments such as

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which you concede was a factor in the development of this product

or

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so your comment above does not appear to make much sense. Frankly, I am at a loss to understand why the distinction you are drawing is so important - the whole issue seems rather childish to me.

do these help illuminate things for you ?

In other words no matter what Adam would have said, individuals would choose to read it or mis-read to suit their pre-judgements.

IMHO

Barrie

Still it's good news about the DAC eh

Jazzfan

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Whatever your choice of words - my point is that you are insulting the intelligence of forum members by claiming that the Lavry's popularity has little or nothing to do with this product.

I think you are totally missing the bigger picture. So a few, a very very few forum members (which represent in turn only a small subset on Naim users worldwide) liked the Lavry DAC and you make the giant leap that Naim were so quaking in their shoes that they rushed to create a DAC in response to this. Adam has already commented that Naim are moving in line with the market but if you want to believe it was a reaction to one product I guess there is no changing your mind.

I hope that if you run your own business you take a broader view than the one you are displaying here.

Cheers

Jim

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Originally posted by baz100:

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the whole issue seems rather childish to me

kettle and pot does spring to mind here

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Originally posted by Exiled Highlander:
Jazzfan

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Whatever your choice of words - my point is that you are insulting the intelligence of forum members by claiming that the Lavry's popularity has little or nothing to do with this product.

I think you are totally missing the bigger picture. So a few, a very very few forum members (which represent in turn only a small subset on Naim users worldwide) liked the Lavry DAC and you make the giant leap that Naim were so quaking in their shoes that they rushed to create a DAC in response to this. Adam has already commented that Naim are moving in line with the market but if you want to believe it was a reaction to one product I guess there is no changing your mind.

I hope that if you run your own business you take a broader view than the one you are displaying here.

Cheers

Jim

Jim be careful here, you are on the verge of becoming another personna non grata. Welcome to the club.

PS: I know that when I heard the L**** (remember its use has been forbidden) I was quaking in my shoes, but for a very different reason!

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Originally posted by Andrew Randle:
Developing a DAC makes sense - if it sounds better than a bare CDX then the 2k price tag may be about right. Well done Naim!

Andrew Randle

To talk about new DAC performance equals this or that CDP we should bear in mind that the transport plays an important role in the final result. I would be happy enough with let's say CDS3 performance potential, I mean with the best possible audio streaming. An AES/EBU digital input would help to achieve the best results using top transports, IMO usb is not as good as AES/EBU for computer audio.

Coming from Naim I would also expect a plug and play box, without filter or upsampling selectors and of course, without volume.

To quote Kuma,
"Tough crowd"

Who cares about the box? I am so FUCKING EXCITED!!

Finally.

Cant wait to hear it.

Did someone a few pages ago ask for fake Naim boxes to fill up his Fraim? Funny.

Just get a 3 pack of 550s like a real man and stop whining. That would be six more boxes plus 2 for the SNAXO/SC.

is there ANY word on inputs?

Toslink, SPdif no doubt..... USB? XLR? IES/EBU, I2S?????

Started looking at used XPS2s!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Exiled Highlander:

I think you are totally missing the bigger picture. So a few, a very very few forum members (which represent in turn only a small subset on Naim users worldwide) liked the Lavry DAC and you make the giant leap that Naim were so quaking in their shoes that they rushed to create a DAC in response to this. Adam has already commented that Naim are moving in line with the market but if you want to believe it was a reaction to one product I guess there is no changing your mind.

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This will be my last word on the subject - these boards are read by substantial numbers of Naim users worldwide who are not actual members. The fact that the Lavry (and to be fair one or two other DACs) has been so enthusiastically embraced by some members will doubtless be a factor in the minds of any of these individuals if and when they start thinking about a CD player upgrade.

One look at the number of unsold CD players on a prominent North American site for used audio gear, and the way the numbers of unsold CDPs there have increased (and the extent to which their prices as a % of RRP have fallen) since last summer -before the current recession really started to unfold by the way - would have been enough to convince Naim that they needed to act. I tried to sell my CDS3 to my Naim dealer in the US last October only to be told that he had 3 on his hands that he was trying to get rid of, with limited success.

That's why my opinion is that only an idiot would believe that there is no connection between the Lavry's popularity and this development. But, as I say, it's of little importance to me personally, one way or another.

refering to the case discussion, there is also the possibility that what we are looking at here is the entry level dac, maybe to be babtised "DAC5X" or similar. Which in turn would mean there will follow a CDX equivalent and ultimately a DAC555... all offcourse in reference series boxes.

/joacim

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Originally posted by munch:
Naim have a Lavry.
Only on loan though.

Bit of reverse engineering going on, I suppose.

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Originally posted by munch:
Naim have a Lavry.

That still leaves a lot of room inside the non ref series box at Bristol

Sounds like a good time to pick up a nice CDP as well.... buyers market.

A CDP will always be desired by me. Just not as a main source.

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But, as I say, it's of little importance to me personally, one way or another.

or indeed to many of us

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Bit of reverse engineering going on, I suppose.

not quite how it works, well not outside of your imagination

Barrie

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Originally posted by AllenB:

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Originally posted by joacim bengtsson:
refering to the case discussion, there is also the possibility that what we are looking at here is the entry level dac, maybe to be babtised "DAC5X" or similar. Which in turn would mean there will follow a CDX equivalent and ultimately a DAC555... all offcourse in reference series boxes.

/joacim

I hear what you are saying but I doubt it. The DAC will be a one-off IMO. Its the HDX range that is likely to be broadened into a HD555 or similar.

Hard to imagine that Naim would produce a DAC that can be upgraded with an expensive power supply and that this would be an entry level product.

Naim have been making kit with DACs in for years and now with the emergence of musical downloads and music stored on iPods and computers they have brought out two new products that fit in with that emerging market; the very good bit is it allows people like myself to have a way to enjoy music in this new format; this is the first product of its that promises to let me do this. The final verdict will come when I have a chance to audition, but this really looks to an ideal product.

I think that is very sensible approach - make a product that a product that your customers want. I think that any specific other DAC is an irrelevance, as Adam says it is the general trend that has been the driver to release a DAC and the Uniti. The same reasons that have driven other manufacturers to produce DACs has driven Naim.

Whatever the drivers, the products will be available soon - and I know one potential customer is very very interested

As Gary notes the new DAC will benefit from the 555PS, this makes it very attractive to owners of CDX2/555PS combinations.

ATB Rotf

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Originally posted by gary1 (US):

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Originally posted by AllenB:

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Originally posted by joacim bengtsson:
refering to the case discussion, there is also the possibility that what we are looking at here is the entry level dac, maybe to be babtised "DAC5X" or similar. Which in turn would mean there will follow a CDX equivalent and ultimately a DAC555... all offcourse in reference series boxes.

/joacim

I hear what you are saying but I doubt it. The DAC will be a one-off IMO. Its the HDX range that is likely to be broadened into a HD555 or similar.

Hard to imagine that Naim would produce a DAC that can be upgraded with an expensive power supply and that this would be an entry level product.

gary1, I guess you are right!
I was just speculating about the logic of the dac:s 5 series casing...
The dac is probably the equvalent to the headline and stageline (although there is now the superline), and as AllenB commented the dac is a one-off.

/joacim

Hi munch

I can swap a cable - well I think I can.

When given a choice do both

Nice thing about the CDX2 is it'll still work even without a power supply too.

Lots of options - I'll need a good dealer to sort me out - queue Dr P.

ATB Rotf

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jazzfan:
these boards are read by substantial numbers of Naim users worldwide who are not actual members. The fact that the Lavry (and to be fair one or two other DACs) has been so enthusiastically embraced by some members will doubtless be a factor in the minds of any of these individuals if and when they start thinking about a CD player upgrade.
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I doubt that very much.

All you've done is mentioned a brand or two that you and some others have listened to and like. Nothing more, nothing less.

You actually mean to tell me that Naim has not seen what Linn, Arcam, and others have been developing and releasing to the market and that it was only with the first Lavry post on the forum did Paul and the rest of the Naim team wake up?

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Originally posted by AllenB:

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Originally posted by ROTF:
Whatever the drivers, the products will be available soon - and I know one potential customer is very very interested


ATB Rotf

What you going to use to feed it with?

iPod/iTransport or similar is a possibility. I don't yet know all the input options - it may be possible to access digital files on an iPod Nano directly without using its DAC or if not then the iTransport fixes this. Any chance of an nPod?

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Originally posted by munch:
I just think its great in this day and age that Naim took on board what Gary 1US said.
And have now made a DAC.
Only Gary1US could of done this.
So i would like to say, As i know many many on here would like to do the same.
Say a big up yours Gaser.

Thanks munch. I'm glad that you finally realized that it was not the Lavry lovers drooling over their dac that finally nudged Naim in the right direction.

If as you guys have been claiming that all the Lavry posts indicated a worldwide phenomenon that Naim just had to stand up and notice, then its just a likely that my comments on the Lavry's performance and the flashback that occurred is what got Paul to realize as he was drinking coffee and perusing the forum that the lightbulb went off and he finally said: "I get it, we need a DAC."

Gary,

Dont worry, you career has not come to an end.

There will be plenty of people who either just bought a Lavry, think the Lavry is better VFM, flatout think the Lavry better conveys the music or simply cannot afford the new Naim DAC.

We will need you. dont go anywhere...