Apollo - I am still amazed

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Originally posted by Simon Matthews:
555
I really need to say no more when you do such a startling character job on yourself.

Sad rude ignorant little man

I think, in defense of 555, it was a bit of a joke?

Anyway, it should read "Sad,rude, ignorant little SCOTSman"

Hi Tom,

I know, here is a link to where I got it, some of the others are good for the pub though

Cheers

John

http://www.truthorfiction.com/index-humor.htm

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... my four year old son who has been on an Astronaut trip for about the last year or so.

I thought I was spoiling my seven year old with a Wii.

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Anyway, it should read ...

I'm not sad or little!

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Originally posted by MilesSmiles:

Miles. Is that the gold plated, remastered version?

Recent photographs of the landing site(s) Unless of course they are faked...

I do not tend to the conspiracy theory, but equally these images prove absolutely nothing either.

What I ask is what was the value of it all?

Like Scott's walk to the South Pole, it yielded nothing of lasting value, but has the considerable advantage that the protagonists at least came home in one piece.

Amundsen's ski-journey to the South Pole was equally a failure scientifically, though it showed that the ski is preferable to the snow-shoe when contempating such a task before the advent of motorised transportation.

So the Apollo has something in common with Amundsen. An immense achievement in the human adventure sense, but of no particular value all at the same time, but rather expensive unlike Amundsen's adventure.

ATB from George

Whaaaaat? We've been to the moon? When did that happen?

i was seven when the picture wer broadcast, dear Mark!

They did it a few more times after, and each time made no valuable contribution to the welfare of mankind.

Amazing, and no wonder they gave up as people lost interest [at the time] in a pointless excercise with no value for mankind's well-being, beyond proving that the USA could get to the moon and the USSR could not.

I wish they had sunk the entire budget of NASA in Fusion research [over the entire NASA period] and let the Russians continue to incinerate cosmonaughts on their own, which was itself another pointless tragedy.

ATB from George

20/20 hindsight, such a wonderful thing.They probably wouldn't have cracked Nuclear fusion either.
Mankind gets nowhere standing still. when he walks it maybe over a cliff , it may be in to a paradise (of knowledge).

I was not there [as it were] but if you had to choose between the energy solution and landing a man on the moon, which would you choose to spend millions of taxpayers hard earned money on?

The useful or the useless?

Seems clear to me.

ATB from George

George,

In terms of environmental benefit, the money would have been far better spent on population control of some description. Will we ever get to the stage where we are selfless enough to view each new birth as an environmental catastrophe?

Winky

The elephant in the room that no one dare mention is the existing over poulation, let alone its exponential grouth.

I do not need a snip job to avoid adding to the problem. I would not want any offspring to face he issue. Those that have not reckoned this are thoughtless at the least. Those who proudly proclaim their addition to the human poulation need their heads examined ...

ATB from George

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Originally posted by JamieWednesday:

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Originally posted by MilesSmiles:

Miles. Is that the gold plated, remastered version?

... you got me there.

I don't know about "need their heads examined" but we are in agreement in principle at least. You can throw up all the bloody wind farms you like, and buy your dodgy 10 quid carbon offsets to make you feel better about your annual holiday flight to Ibiza, and drive your Toyota Pious until you feel totally saintly, and turn off your phone charger, and recycle the packaging from your new 55" energy efficient flatscreen TV,..... but the single greatest environmental choice anyone can make is to choose not to reproduce.

The elephant in the room, indeed.

That's it great idea, everybody in the world stop breeding, result no human race, no problem.
You might try and get them to stop breathing , it would be quicker, but same result.
Oh you six or seven lonely saints can all stand around and muse about "where did it all go right", there's not many posts on the forum these days, but the roads are so quite , when I'm out on my vintage push bike.

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there's not many posts on the forum these days, but the roads are so quite , when I'm out on my vintage push bike.

Sounds like my kind of heaven - and the occasional trip into the deserted city to do a bit of looting.

regards,

mat

What's life without a bit of excitement and danger? It'd be a dull old world if no one took a risk or exposed themselves to danger just for the buzz of it.

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Originally posted by BigH47:
That's it great idea, everybody in the world stop breeding, result no human race, no problem.
You might try and get them to stop breathing , it would be quicker, but same result.
Oh you six or seven lonely saints can all stand around and muse about "where did it all go right", there's not many posts on the forum these days, but the roads are so quite , when I'm out on my vintage push bike.

Moving to zero population is perhaps a fabulous idea, but you don't have to go that far. All I'm saying is don't fool yourself that any "green" actions you may choose to undertake mean anything at all without effective population control (and by "control", I mean dramatic reduction). By some estimates, the sustainable population of the planet is around 10% of current levels. Morally, how can we continue to breed at current rates and surely condemn billions of people in the future to a misery borne of wars, famine, water shortages, climate change and ecological collapse?

The sustainable human population is arguably a quarter of today's, or indeed less.

Say 1.5 billion at the most

We don't have to become extinct to achieve this.

ATB ferom George

IMHO population expansion (& greatly reducing the risk of extinction) is the argument for space exploration!

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
The sustainable human population is arguably a quarter of today's, or indeed less... Say 1.5 billion at the most

So, the Chinese are on track then...?!

The Chinese were the first nation to recognise the situation by implementing the single child policy ...

ATB from George

Moon astronauts urge Mars mission, but it's not going to be easy.