Racial hatred & tabloid newspapers

It sells papers though. Not sure we should blame the tabloid media exclusively, for they (sadly) appear to tap into a viewpoint that exists widely amongst their 'constituency'.

The lesson of history is slightly different. The media was centrally manipulated by the Nazi state, here you can argue it is free and responsive rather than manipulated by a central philosophy.

Whatever, it stinks, and I do not doubt the impact of the press to reinforce attitudes.

Bruce

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This is dangerous and nasty stuff.

Couldn't agree more Rasher.

The current tabloid news agenda seems to feed a base desire to feel part of a superior majority in some instance or other, whether morally, enthnically or physically.

Very depressing.

Bruce may be right when he says it's responsive but given the egos and politics of the owners of these news services, I'm not so sure.

Steve.

Much as I quite like 'Spooks' - not sure programs like these help much either....

The trouble with Spooks is that it tries too hard to be even handed. I mean oine week they're infiltrating an Al-Qaeda cell, next week it's Mossad and then just to make sure all the bases are covered it's Christian fundamentalists.

I'm not so sure it's the tabloids drumming up this racial hatred, they're just being used. <uslim terrorists are doing exactly the same thing that the IRA used to do - victimising their own community to radicalise them. Yes we're all in this together but the terrorists are doing this in the name of Islam. It's not mormons, buddhists and Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Originally posted by Fisbey:
Much as I quite like 'Spooks' - not sure programs like these help much either....

Spooks is ok in my book as it is fiction and shows that anyonme can be the bad guy when ony a few years ago the bad guys were Russian or Irish. Yes an Equal Opportunity employer of bad guys - how even handed is that?

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The media was centrally manipulated by the Nazi state, here you can argue it is free and responsive rather than manipulated by a central philosophy.

Not far short of that with the man from oz.

Dear All,

The press reflects what is occurring in our societies.

The problem for reasonable Muslims is the conduct of the RADICAL PREJUDICED AND ABHORRENT MUSLIMs whose perverse conduct is "Condoned".

Here in SYDNEY we have a MUFTI who has used revolting prejudicial language to describe the victims of rape.

His assertion is that Women who do not dress modestly ( Totally Veiled ) Cause good men to be so SEDUCEED as to be caused to rape.

THis i find ABHORRENT from a so called elected religious leader.

Has he been condemned by his community.

YOU ARE JOKING there may be a rally supporting his views this weekend . THis will be supported by Women Muslim groups.

I work with colleagues who happen to be of the Muslim Faith and they say that his teachings are un Islamic . But the consensus is that moderates are frightened to speak openly and condemn the MUFTI.

He basically stated that a god Muslim women is totally veiled and is at home looking after the family and has no need to go outside.

He also describedc women who are not modestly dressed as a PILE OF MEAT that will twmpt a cat.

For the whole story look at any Sydney newspaper over the last week.

How can a modern society allow such behaviour which is prejudiced in the extreme.

I hope there are no repeats of the recent Cronulla riots .

Stated on a Sydney radio station the fact that Pakistan has HUNG over 2500 Female Vistims of rape as being adulturous.


regards David

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Originally posted by DAVOhorn:
For the whole story look at any Sydney newspaper over the last week.

That's my point

Dear Rasher,

The press are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Do they or do they not report.

Here the press has had to translate the speeches of the Mufti as he refuses to preach in English even thpugh he has lived in Aus for nearly 30 years.

He always states that he is being mistranslated but the press get Language experts from the Universities to translate so as not put a bias on the translation.

So how does the press report incidents of Incitement to racial hatred when the incitement comes from religious minority groups who abhor the way of life of their country of residence.

Some if one wishes to live under Sharia law then there are many countries where this is possible.

So why do they not live there, because they enjoy the rights privileges and freedoms that a country such as Aus affords its citizens and residents.

So they have the above and selectively abuse those privileges and the general population.

I believe that if you dont like it in the country that you have moved to then GO HOME.

If i decide that Aus is not for me after the completion of my 2 year contrat i wont stay and bitch and moan . I will return to the UK and bitch and moan.

regards David

David

I can see your point but another view is that we are all global citizens and we all should have a right to live anywhere we want. I suspect that we will all have the freedom to roam anywhere we want in a generations time.

This gives us as much right to comment on anything, anywhere at anytime.

Regards

Mick

Mick

The government of my country, at least, doesn't regard you as a global citizen - regardless of your view of yourself - and if my government were to let you, or anybody else, live here if you are not a citizen already, it will not be because of your right to do so; but because of a privilege that is extended to you.

Do you think that Britain should open her borders to anybody that wants to live there?

Deane

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Do you think that Britain should open her borders to anybody that wants to live there?

My view is "absolutely not" and I equally don't expect to have the right to wander off and live in anybody elses country that I fancy.

But I don't know how many people share my view, or what the future might hold. And i'm not sure what indicators exist to help with any prediction. Mick might well turn out to be right in 25 years time (= a generation). I personally doubt it.

My middle daughter emigrated to Canada 4 years ago. Even though she is married to a Canadian, it took a year and a half to get the necessary clearance to live and work there, although she could previously visit as often as she liked and stay up to 6 months at a time as a visitor - which is what me and Mrs D do. However, I am always sensitive to the fact that we are guests in Canada (or any other country I have lived in, worked in or visited - and thats a lot). And I am mindful of our visitor status when conversation touches on First Nation people, immigration from across the Pacific, Provincial government and taxes versus National government etc etc.

Appart from the fairly liberal movement of people around the EU, I don't see too much evidence of freedom of movement in other parts of the world or around the world. And I personally don't see it happening any time soon.

Likewise, I think that visitors and immigrants to Britain should expect to respect traditional British values and ways of life, including an element of tollerance...and not expect to convert us all into extremist Muslims, Polish plumbers, Jamaican gangsters or Cheese-loving surrender-monkeys etc etc.

Cheers

Don

Chaps

My own view on this is that travel, communications and the internet are rapidly breaking down national barriers.

I have no problem with unrestricted immigration into this country as long as I can bugger off anywhere I want.

I am certain that my Grandchildren will be allowed to go where ever they want because it makes sense.

Nationlism is begining to crumble. I was born in Plymouth and can freely live in London, and so can some one born in Paris or Warsaw.

Why not allow the same for someone born in the USA or China.

Things have a habit of levelling out in a free market. The world would balance up nicely in terms of affluence and population density.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:

Things have a habit of levelling out in a free market.

You have got to be joking! In what way does anything level out? And who pays for infrastructure? Business is utterly selfish and entirely without morals. Nothing balances out in the world now - what makes you think that removing controls will help anything?

I agree with Mick Parry. Things will level out with time. We are all the same. Im all for breaking down national barriers. I'm absolutely against faith schools, (these are very divisive) segragation, aparthied, ghettos and any form of discrimination etc. and I'm all for multi-cultural societies. Rome was not built in a day, all this will take time. I agree with Dean that completely free markets do not exist but there is some degree of freedom and more is needed in my view. I do not agree that all business are utterly selfish and entirely without morals - that is too much of a generalisation.

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:

I do not agree that all business are utterly selfish and entirely without morals - that is too much of a generalisation.

So name one business that has ever made a choice based on morals and not on the interests of the shareholders or owner.

I also agree with Mick.

One only has to look back into world history to see how it really works. People have moved around from one part of the world to another since we learned to walk upright.

The notion of a national identity is only a transient one, as but a cursory glance at our own history will show you.

The various cultures that have 'invaded' the UK down the years have long since been forgotten and we have since melted into one common culture.

The period of immigration we are currently undergoing will be viewed by future historians as a brief one in hindsight and ultimately will result in another, slightly different culture, ultimately probably common to the whole world.

This is how we started, albeit contained within a much smaller area (probably Africa).

How can this really be a bad thing?

Mark

While it is undisputed that ideas of culture and identity have changed over time and will continue to change; the concrete reality of the nation-state and its sovereignty, and the vast corpus of international and domestic laws that attach to it, have not changed other than to grow in complexity. It is this structure that Mick Parry is predicting will change in a single generation.

International law has evolved over 500 years. It will not dissolve in a single generation.

(I'd bet a house on it.)

I don't think Mick is saying that at all. He is just saying that we will all be free to move around as we wish.

However, if you lived in Europe you would see that what you have just posted is not correct. We have seen exactly such changes as you have just described as unlikely. We have now laws that are common across the European Union and camn override domestic law. Who would have thought that Germany, France, Italy and others would all accept a common currency. We will be next, and do not underestimate how significant this will be in breaking down the 'concrete reality of the nation state'.

(Hope it's not your house)

But the European Community has taken nearly fifty years to pull together into the shape it is in now.

Also, it is easily argued that the reciprocal agreements of the member states means that as a whole the EC agrees to act in favour of its members at the expense of non-members - in other words, just like a nation-state; but a confederation of same.

Deane

Young people like change and will force it through, that is a fact of life.

National boundaries will exist for a long time to come but my point is that we are finding it easier to move around Europe because of the EU.

The EU will grow and our ability to move around will steadily increase. This is popular with the young people and they will want more of it.

As for a prediction, America is financially in the shit. Its goods are over priced and the Yanks are living on borrowed money and that cannot continue forever. The days of when America sneezes, the world catches a cold are slowly dimminishing.

China is going to flood America with goods, if America imposes import controls, it will suffer badly. I reckon in about 30 years, the Dollar will merge with the Euro and that will also allow more immigration. The Yanks will not like it but it will happen.

The global economy is forcing us to do what is right and sensible in the sense that we should all be able to move to where we want without restriction or hassle in order to produce global wealth.

It will come, the only question is when.

Regards

Mick

Deane said "Business is utterly selfish and entirely without morals."

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Business, or wealth creation - without morals?

Interesting view. Does make me wonder who we expect to pay for everything when I see comments like this.

Providing employment? Enabling taxes to be available for state and welfare - immoral?

Creating environments where the efforts of those inclined to work hard pay off for them and their families will never be immoral as far as I'm concerned.

Regards,

Steve.

I'm with Mick on this one. Well put too.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Deane

Young people like change and will force it through, that is a fact of life.

National boundaries will exist for a long time to come but my point is that we are finding it easier to move around Europe because of the EU.

The EU will grow and our ability to move around will steadily increase. This is popular with the young people and they will want more of it.

As for a prediction, America is financially in the shit. Its goods are over priced and the Yanks are living on borrowed money and that cannot continue forever. The days of when America sneezes, the world catches a cold are slowly dimminishing.

China is going to flood America with goods, if America imposes import controls, it will suffer badly. I reckon in about 30 years, the Dollar will merge with the Euro and that will also allow more immigration. The Yanks will not like it but it will happen.

The global economy is forcing us to do what is right and sensible in the sense that we should all be able to move to where we want without restriction or hassle in order to produce global wealth.

It will come, the only question is when.

Regards

Mick

Mick,

In this Global visualisation of Freedom of movement, expression and speech, does the Third World get Freedom from want?

Beano

The third world will benefit as more Chinese consumers come on to play.

It will not happen overnight but it will happen.

Regards

Mick