why do i upgrade???

Posted by: ken c on 28 February 2002

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Martin C
Hi Ken,

To get as close as the true sound I supposed (but until when? a bit like X-files???), but I want to stop for a while now, but for the last 03 years, I kept saying that until the next upgrade (So far I did it once a year), but I mean it this time, I will leave the active thought, I sold my Snaxo2-4 last Sat.

And concentrate on the AV set-up (intergrate from naim system)

cheers
Martin

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
very interesting. so far, noone is willing to admit peer pressure... big grin big grin

keep the votes coming..

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Steve B
I voted for number 1 although upgraditis does creep in now and again, and if I did get a windfall - well I'd treat myself. Why not?

Steve B

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
quote:
Originally posted by Steve B:
I voted for number 1 although upgraditis does creep in now and again, and if I did get a windfall - well I'd treat myself. Why not?
....

why not indeed!! i guess i could have made the choices a bit more mutually exclusive ... but what the heck -- hence my request for "dominant" reason. for me, its definitely upgraditis. i could say i want a bit more "scale" from by sbl's but honestly, thats just an excuse...

many thanks steve B.

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
quote:
Originally posted by JWSzuhay:
no option for downgrading?

big grin


yes, there is!! its negative upgrading. big grin big grin

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Alex S.
quote:
very interesting. so far, noone is willing to admit peer pressure...
I admit it. Its all your fault.

Anyway, what do you call upgrading whilst also saving money?

Alex

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
quote:
Originally posted by JWSzuhay:
You sure?

big grin


yes'ish. you find a component that you think is overkill in your system (or whatever undesirable) -- and you swap it for a cheaper one -- you hopefully receive money which is the diff between the current prices of the unit concerned.

on another note -- last time i was in Houston, we had lunch in a hotel called Grand Hotel, near Galleria after a tip from a colleague. Fantastic!! is it still there???

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
I admit it. Its all your fault.
Anyway, what do you call upgrading whilst also saving money?

ooops sorry. big grin big grin. but actually nothing wrong with being influenced.

i dont know what to call "upgrading whilst also saving money?". not sure i understand? any suggestions?

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Mike in CO
As much as upgraditis may influence my daydreams, the availability of decent used gear from my dealer, and what's in my pocketbook (or my credit limit) invariably controls whether or not I upgrade. I had a Nait I for years, and had no funds or plans to upgrade, until my dealer had a 32/SNAPS/250 set come in. Into debt I went! Since then, (7 yrs ago), I've only upgraded by doing 2 DIY mods of that kit, and replacing a cartridge on my LP12. I'd love to own the top-end of the Naim line, but there are other pressures & bills to pay.

I think I'm at a point where my system reveals enough to get the point, or the emotional intent, of the music. I'd rather buy more new music than study the layers of complexity in what I already own. I find that hearing new music changes how I hear familiar music on later listens. And I've recently discovered (after having our first child), that not listening to anything seriously for a long time, and experiencing a lot of new emotions and pressures, also improved things. When I finally get to spend an hour or two listening, I get even less hung up on "the system isn't doing x" and just enjoy it -- because it may be a month or more before I get to do that again!

When I stop feeling the music, then I'll persue the next upgrade more seriously.

M

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Mike Sae
-accidentally heard superior component which created dissatisfaction and ultimately resulted in upgrade.

In my case, CDX and P9.

quote:
you find a component that you think is overkill in your system (or whatever undesirable) -- and you swap it for a cheaper one -- you hopefully receive money

I've done this- B&W CDM1 for Rega Jura, Rega Elys and Standesign rack. Not a bad haul if I may say so!

Not counting you lot, I've got no peers who enjoy throwing money at stereos- therefore, I've got the best stereo out of my friends. I'm sure 99% of us can say the same smile

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
And I've recently discovered (after having our first child), that not listening to anything seriously for a long time, and experiencing a lot of new emotions and pressures, also improved things.

mike in co:

i agree with "new emotions". when we had our first child, hifi somehow became very low on the priority list -- i think i didnt upgrade for 3 years!!! ahhh, now this is a good cure for upgraditis!!!

many thanks mike

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
Was it the Sheraton Grand?...

long time ago, c. 1984.(probably well before your time!) i think it was simply called The Grand Hotel then. the food was memorable. should have taken a hint from the fact there was a long queue for lunch midweek.

yeah, i remember the heat (not as oppressive as Olando) -- and the thunderstorms!!!

how do you survive with naim equipment?!!!

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
Now, if you had the opportunity to buy a NAP500 for 5K quid, would you say no?...

no. are you offering??? big grin big grin

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
Not counting you lot, I've got no peers who enjoy throwing money at stereos- therefore, I've got the best stereo out of my friends. I'm sure 99% of us can say the same

i actually feel a bit guilty about the fact that my nephew (master will) is now much more into hifi (in particular, naim) than i ever was at his age... i have got another nephew who is also beginning to ask me questions like "do you think BMW is the naim of cars??"

what have i done!!?

my sister suggests aromatherapy as a possible cure for upgraditis. any comments?

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by ken c
I buy new hifi when I have unexpected spare money and want to treat myself.

i am the exact opposite. i buy hifi when i dont have any money. i blame plastic money...!!

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 28 February 2002 by Jonathan Gorse
I upgrade to get an even stronger emotional response to music. When I go to a live gig there's an emotional intensity which only a good hi-fi gives me.

I often do it when I have no cash but have never been any good at saving (I'm much better at paying off loans!)

Ken - re: your nephew - they'll remember you for the rest of your life for the music you introduced them to. I had an Uncle who was a musician and was something of a hippy but was into diverse music and broadened my musical horizons immeasurably in my teens. I thank him for that and fondly remember staying up until 4am listening to his hi-fi, drinking beer, experimenting with snuff (the tobacco powder not the movies!) much to my parents disapproval!

Jonathan

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by Jay
I had a CD3.5 and then I bought a P25 to listen to the odd album right.....2 months later I had a CDX.....go figure?

Jay

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by Rico
BMW as the Naim of cars? Probably too far apart in company philosophies, but as far as a bloody compelling drive with four doors, absolutely.

I miss mine every single day I climb into my Nissan... and despite the Sentra being pussy (that's Pus-sy) it is entertaining; nonetheless I miss that silky six, the snick of the gearbox, that bark of the exhaust... and it was still a normal car. One of these days's I'll get another...

RWD rules.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by Hammerhead
quote:
Rico:
RWD rules.

Praise the Lord!

Daring Dan Digital

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by Phil Barry
Thrice I upgraded to treat myself to a goodie after a long period of hard work. I got a Cirkus, a CDS1, and a 2nd hicap for my 82. The Cirkus was not a great move (not a bad one, just not a great one). The CDS is great, but not worth the cost, since I still listen mostly to LP - but I'd hate to give up the CDS even for the few CDs I listen to. The 2nd hicap was not mind-blowingin the least, but I believe it has led to long term satisfaction.

I usually upgrade becaue the sound of my system gets too annoying - usually too congested during loud, complex passages. I try to identify the weak link and improve it.

The upgrades I've done to reduce the annoyance have proved long-lived and very satisfying.

An edit:

I enjoy reproduced music much more with my current system than with previous equipment - the lack of congestion really makes a difference to me. And if I ever start making money again, I hope to make enough to upgrade if I ever notice it in the future - now, however, the system is great.

Phil

[This message was edited by Phil Barry on SATURDAY 02 March 2002 at 01:10.]

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by ken c
Do I enjoy music more now than when I had a cheaper but decent hi fi? The answer would be NO, most of the time. Would I own the system that I have now if I had the chance to start all over again? Probably not as I would be equally happy with a simpler, cheaper, but Naim based system!

hockman, these are good points. i would probably give similar answers.

for example, i know for sure that i was very happy with my 32.5/hicap/250/isobarik -- with lp12/ittok/troika. its not as if when i upgraded, i said to myself, i wish i had more of this and that. i was just surprised that there WAS more when i auditioned nac72 and naim aro. this is the time i got rid of the isobarik -- too big for our lounge unfortunately. so er indoors said "its either me or them". thought long and hard about this... and chose 'er.

more recently, i was very happy with a passive sbl system, but liked what i heard with active that i didnt even know what possible. now i am considering whats possible with SL2's -- even though my active system right now is intoxicatingly good.

its called upgraditis. or madness. or stupidity. but whatever you call it, my musical tastes have expanded beyond recognition!!! -- and still expanding...

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by ken c
Originally posted by Jonathan Gorse:
I upgrade to get an even stronger emotional response to music. When I go to a live gig there's an emotional intensity which only a good hi-fi gives me.

what suprises me is that there appears to be no end to this quest for more emotion. emotion is important to me, but its not as if as i say "hmmmm... my system hasnt got enough emotion, therefore i need to upgrade". if my system as it is now stops conveying emotion in the music, i will know there is some component that is FAULTY. and i will go into a real tail spin trying to isolate it. it 'urrrts!!

I often do it when I have no cash but have never been any good at saving (I'm much better at paying off loans!)

its nice to know i have company!!!

Ken - re: your nephew - they'll remember you for the rest of your life for the music you introduced them to. I had an Uncle who was a musician and was something of a hippy but was into diverse music and broadened my musical horizons immeasurably in my teens. I thank him for that and fondly remember staying up until 4am listening to his hi-fi,

ahhh... thats nice. mind you, his musical tastes are now much more diverse than mine, so... i am learning from him now.

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by ken c
rico, that bmw has no number plates!!! big grin big grin big grin

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 01 March 2002 by ken c
results so far suggest that drive to upgrade is equally as a result of some identified weak link, as it is simply upgraditis. interesting. good "turnout" too. many thanks. i am sad/glad to see that i am not alone being inflicted with this upgraditis condition.

are we spoiled by the fact that we can so "easily" upgrade, or are there other similar industries within which this is possible -- old equipment backup, etc etc... car??

enjoy

ken