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"I'm not sure whether I like this one more in Color"

I think you've got fundamental problems of composition and subject matter before you get to Colour Vs B&W. As a composition its both a bit unbalanced and not desparately intersting and it doesn't really work as a sort of abstract either -- you probably want to get in close for such a look so that the texture of the rocks comes out. It's also all a bit flat and lacking in contrast as well -- try photographing that same location before (say) 10am or after 4pm on something other than a dull, overcast day and you will find it a much more rewarding subject.

On the colour / B&W thing: As a rule of thumb and leaving aside matters of composition and subject matter, if you have unremarkable or unpleasant (in a broad sense) colours and the photo *doesn't* look better when converted to B&W you are probably lacking some interesting or worthwhile light. Light is (almost always) everything in photography.

Matthew

Id go for the BW one, the colour one just makes it absolutely clear what a dull subject it is. sorry dont mean to be harsh.

Thanks for all of the comments, guys. As I'm slowly getting control of the technical side of things, I'm trying to improve the artistic elements. I'm currently just "punching wildly", hoping top get a feeling for where my target is.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

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I'm currently just "punching wildly", hoping top get a feeling for where my target is.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

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Your not the only one, its often that only 1-5 shots out of a 36exp roll are any good for me

50kb has ruined this image

Here are a few of those damn color phtos that do have their moments:

GEOFF

1) COLD DOG....

Another

2) HOT TULIPS.....

& ANOTHER

3) A NARROW PLACE....

& yet another

4) COLOR MOUNT.....

& finally no more I promise

5) TETONS......

count.d: who is playing violin...? - Jun

Goeff P,

Those are some spectecular photos. Is that Mt. Rainier in #4. The Tetons pic looks almost faked with the perfect reflection. There's probably some physics that I do not recall about polarization that explains why the sky reflected in the lake is more blue than the actual view, but I'm not sure what.

cheers,

Dan

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Is that Mt. Rainier in #4. The Tetons pic looks almost faked with the perfect reflection. There's probably some physics that I do not recall about polarization that explains why the sky reflected in the lake is more blue than the actual view, but I'm not sure what.

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Dan

You are right about Mt. Ranier. I had a fantastic day there. As you can see it was in the "Fall" and all the ground vegitation was a mass of color. The waether was absolutely superb It was Ocftober but the temperature was up in the 70's and Mt Ranier is pretty high elevation. I have quite a lot of photos in a similar vein from the surrounding area. it was a photographer's paradise.

On the Teton one I was up pretty early in the morning & I was using a polarising filter,(I was in all except the tulip shot). With the clarity of air you get in the mountain environments including Alsaka (#1) it is pretty much manadatory to use one. I must admit I have a tendency to "over cook" the setting on purpose which produces somewhat artificial sky colors but does wonders for the strength of the land colors. When you add the polarising effect of the water you get this deeper color range in the refelection which almost makes you want to turn the picture upside down.

The Tetons and Mt Ranier were part fo the same fanatastically lucky trip. I flew to Montana in late september and landed in Billings in temps up in the high 80's, hired a car, drove north and went thru' Glacier which was full of autumn color & sunshine (no snow), then I went south and spent a few days down in Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons in the same sun and drove back to Billings via Bear tooth pass which is pretty spectacular. I flew from there to Seattle and did Mt. Ranier for a day. I thouroughly recommend it as a holiday at that time of year, if you have luck with the weather. No kids and hardly any campers, hardly anybody in Glacier & Yellowstone, which are crowded in the height of the holiday season.

regards
GEOFF

Geoff -- A Narrow Place -- Antelope Canyon?

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Geoff -- A Narrow Place -- Antelope Canyon?

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DJH

Good guess, almost right. It was another "slot" canyon which is in the same area around Lake Powell.

It was a bit expensive but this guy who deos photography for the local tourist brochures did a deal with me where he took me to this other canyon & it was just the two of us. I did'nt have to join a queue to take a photo. Incidentally he had a great lightweight carbon fibre tripod stand which he lent me. The only way to take a decent photo which brings out the color in the walls is using a tripod and overexposing by 2F stops aswell. Typically exposure time about 1 second with 400ASA film.

I'm battling with a photo-editing program whose output always looks brigher on-line - I can't figure out why. Anyway, here's my second attempt at posting these tulips. [1973, Holland, Kodak Instamatic 25]. I bet they're too dark this time...

And another one.

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Originally posted by Geoff P:
It was another "slot" canyon which is in the same area around Lake Powell.

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Was it Peach Canyon, by any chance? I have been to both Upper and Lower Antelope Canyons - superb places - but have only seen pictures of other canyons in Bruce Barnbaum's portfolios. Apart from the canyons, some of the most amazing landscape in the world is close to there - Coyote Buttes and the Paria Wave.

Jeremy said "I'm battling with a photo-editing program whose output always looks brigher on-line - I can't figure out why"

Assumning its not an Infopop related attachment conversion issue, its something to do with colourspaces and colour management. In which case you can either:

-- Try and sort it out (can take anything from 1 day to 6 months and has no guarantee of success)

-- Get a working on your computer and printer and if anyone complains about your pictures tell them they need to calibrate their monitor.

More helpfully, perhaps, the best approach is to calibrate your monitor properly and then find someone with your editing program who is not having these problems and copy their colour and colour management options.

Matthew

Thanks Matthew.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what a colour space is, and my program barely acknowledges its existence, telling me: "image, graphics or text generated by sRGB colorspace" but giving no option to to change or alter the colorspace.

I've been meaning to find out about colour anyway, so I'll head for some on-line resources.

Meanwhile, I think I'll have to hunt through my collection of magazine coverdiscs and find something that's more useful for handling photos.

Here are a few from recent trip to Sao Paulo:

[This message was edited by Dan M on Sun 11 April 2004 at 6:20.]

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...please don't ask why this one is b/w

OK, last one