The Next Big Obsession

Posted by: mikeeschman on 02 April 2009

I have been focusing all my attentions on a Maurizio Pollini performance of the last three Beethoven Paino Sonatas on DGG:

No. 30, Opus 109
No. 31, Opus 110
No. 32, Opus 111

I think what distinguishes Pollini's playing from everyone else, is the ability to render these works with a clarity of voicing, and instrumental color, never before attained by anyone playing anything. And in the light of that voicing and color, the sonatas reveal new meaning and insight.

At the same time as he wrote these three sonatas, Beethoven wrote the Missa Solemnis. It is a Roman Catholic Mass, in all its parts.
Beethoven was a deaf catholic on commission writing this. He is always full of feeling. Here in the Missa Solemnis, you can listen as Beethoven speaks to God.

I think the last three piano sonatas are so full of genuine musical feeling, at least in part, because they were written while Beethoven had his talk with God :-)

I just got my beloved Phillips Jochum/Concertegbouw Missa Solemnis on CD.

2 disks instead of 4
sides and no clicks or pops :-)

I think it will be amusing to compare the voicing of the soloists in the Missa Solemnis to the voicing in the part playing of the last three sonatas ...

But only after 10 or 12 listens to the new cds of Missa Solemnis :-)
Posted on: 02 April 2009 by stephenjohn
Mike, I, like you, listen to music over and over again. Do you think we can get to places undreamed of by the composer?
bw
SJ
Posted on: 02 April 2009 by soundsreal
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I think what distinguishes Pollini's playing from everyone else, is the ability to render these works with a clarity of voicing, and instrumental color, never before attained by anyone playing anything

Wow, I'm glad I have these discs and like them! Winker Now I can throw everything else out the window...
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
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Originally posted by stephenjohn:
Mike, I, like you, listen to music over and over again. Do you think we can get to places undreamed of by the composer?
bw
SJ


who can say?
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
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Originally posted by munch:
mike,
Do you ever use Wikipedia?


all the time, but carefully. the music entries are loaded with errors. so i generally go to the harvard dictionary of music.

why do you ask?
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
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Originally posted by soundsreal:
quote:
I think what distinguishes Pollini's playing from everyone else, is the ability to render these works with a clarity of voicing, and instrumental color, never before attained by anyone playing anything

Wow, I'm glad I have these discs and like them! Winker Now I can throw everything else out the window...


i wouldn't throw everything else out the window. i have also been listening to barenbom do these last 3 beethoven sonatas for the past few weeks. he's not as polished at the keyboard as pollini, but has a number of unique insights into these last three beethoven piano sonatas. i think he extracts more pathos from the music than does pollini.

i have sets of these last three sonatas of beethoven by glenn gould, rudolph serkin, arrau, pollini and barenbom. i wouldn't want to be without any of them (possibly excepting the glenn gould, which is kind of wacky).

each of these sets is "perfect" in its own way. "perfect" is not unique or exclusive. you can have many "perfect" snowflakes, each different than all the others. they are still all snowflakes ...

still, the pollini is really ringing my bell, and i think he may represent an evolutionary step forward for pianists :-)
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
well, i've given the Missa Solemnis, Beethoven's second Roman Catholic Mass after the C minor Mass, two run-throughs.

These two groups of music, (1) the last three Beethoven Piano Sonatas and (2) the Missa Solemnis, could not be more different from each other.

The piano sonatas are very introspective, they are the ruminations of a great mind at 2 am, alone in his apartment, staring out on a night sky.

the Missa Solemnis is the most public of public music, suitable for a coronation mass for a patron.

So the only way to find any similarities in voicing is to compare the scores.

When you look at a score you know well, you can hear every note.

That hasn't happened for me with any of this music.

So now, before it becomes too familiar, I can compare scores and see similarities without having to listen to them. Later, when i am perched in front of "the naim", absorbing music as it materializes out of nothingness, I can remember what I saw in a score, and hope for some conclusion, or if not a conclusion, a hint, a clue ...

But if I don't know how to count, or I simply don't count, I can't be sure I'm listening to what I saw in the score, when I'm listening to it :-)

This is a sweet spot in music listening for me. I have some tantalizing notions about music I am just now falling in love with. Some hunches and some feelings.

How long can anyone stay in that state?

It's my favorite!

Hopefully a long time :-)

Long live Beethoven!!!!!!!
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by soundsreal
I'm glad for you the Pollini hasn't jaded you on the others. I thought at first that's what you were eluding to.

I worked with a wonderful guy years ago selling stereo gear, and when I discovered ravel's mother goose suite with Previn he delighted me by bringing in 10 other versions, and we sat and compared. Of course I have my favorite, yet each usually has merit of its own.

There are some pieces from my childhood, the firebird or pictures, where, if the end is not to my liking, I won't listen to it again. In those cases it has to be absolutely to my liking.

One other item we concur on besides Pollini is the spiritual experience of a great meal. I laughed out loud when you wrote that.

Take care
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
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Originally posted by soundsreal:
One other item we concur on besides Pollini is the spiritual experience of a great meal. I laughed out loud when you wrote that.

Take care


man, here in my home town of new orleans, people move like trees at work, but of all the joys in life, the meals are the most cherished socially. and everything is fresh from our gulf of mexico or off a louisiana farm.

we buy everything we can local.

roasting a really fresh chicken is different than the usual.

and when we don't wish to cook, a trip to the market gets you what you need - less than a quarter mile from my doorstep.

tonight we are having a pinot noir with fresh french bread and a fresh shrimp salad over spinach there is enough for 3 people. it was $10 prepared :-) (the wine is left over from filets on the grill last night).

we've gotten flounder stuffed with crabmeat, fresh smoked ribs, chicken curry, something different every day.

we go to out to eat once or twice a week. the range that is available is stunning.

i love the food here.
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by BigH47
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i love the food here.


So did we on a very brief trip.
Posted on: 03 April 2009 by mikeeschman
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Originally posted by BigH47:
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i love the food here.


So did we on a very brief trip.


let me know next time you come :-)