Warning over 'surveillance state'

Posted by: 555 on 06 February 2009

Electronic surveillance and collection of personal data are "pervasive" in British society and threaten to undermine democracy ...
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by 555
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by u5227470736789454
it's for our own good, honest
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by u5227470736789454
and this proves it

see I told you, we must be a bunch of idiots, how we have survived this long is a mystery. Thanks Heavens for a caring Government.

Barrie
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by 555
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by Howlinhounddog
Honestly, I don't get it. We vote these people into positions and then allow them to say for the next five years
"we are doing this on your behalf"
What utter codswallop. No one ever voted for a politician who said vote for me and I will restrict your personal freedom.
Yet how the hell do they (politicos) assume we give them this right?
Hang 'em all I say !
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by JWM
As someone who has direct and legally-accountable responsibility for a Grade I and two Grade II* listed buildings, I am am sick of having to lash out £5,000-10,000, a year, every year to pay for repairs caused by vandalism (and before anyone mentions the word 'insurance', there is a level of claims history at which insurance companies either refuse cover against that risk, or hike the premiums up).

Installing CCTV as part of our strategy against these nasty little s*ds becomes a necessity.

If we are complaining about the erosion of our freedoms, perhaps we ought to direct our 'outrage' towards the behaviours that make such erosion of our freedoms necessary?

Unless, of course, we subscribe to the view held by so many, that doing something wrong, or at least only a little bit wrong, is ok until you're caught. (Though then complain like hell about the fact you've been caught.) "I was only doing '2mph' above the limit, and so nabbing me is hardly fair"...
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by Howlinhounddog
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If we are complaining about the erosion of our freedoms, perhaps we ought to turn our attention towards those who behaviour makes such erosion of our freedoms necessary.

Could'nt agree more JWM. Please don't misunderstand me, mindless (and expensive)vandalism is abhorent but must never be used by government bodies as a way to restrict the personal freedoms of the vast majority of law abiding citizens and I don't for a moment believe that is what you are advocating.
As per my previous post, string the vandals up as well Winker
Posted on: 06 February 2009 by 555
I think we can safely say Lord Norton, Liberty, etc. don't have your CCTV system in mind James. Big Grin


'He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.'


Benjamin Franklin
Posted on: 12 February 2009 by 555
Big Brother cameras grow big ears