Power Management Device or Power Plant on top of Naim System
Posted by: ec928 on 15 April 2005
Dear Naimist,
I hear people talk about how the power management devices or power plant will enhance the stereo system. Stuff like "prventing damages to equiptment"; "Lower System Noise Floor"...sounds great!, but just wonder if these gadget will enhance NAIM system?
Ekin
I hear people talk about how the power management devices or power plant will enhance the stereo system. Stuff like "prventing damages to equiptment"; "Lower System Noise Floor"...sounds great!, but just wonder if these gadget will enhance NAIM system?
Ekin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Onthlam
Tom-
(IMHO)
I have been doing Naim since 1978. I believe in them and am very loyal to them. Yes, I have listened to most everything else out there. Everything out there that I would be interested in,that is...
I agree there are other options however I must disagree with just one thing you wrote.
"Naim does a lot exceptionally well, but can’t find every solution".
As a business owner I can identify a specific barrior to my customers total enjoyment-
Understand that I have all the means to remove that barrior and decide to leave it to someone else to provide?
Why would I want to give up one bit of market share???
Niche or not its mine because it meets my customers needs, I have exceeded their expectations and the most important part-
I made more money!
Whoed ah thunk Naim would do supports.
Damn smart move if you were to ask me.
Control is everything.
Regards,
Marc
(IMHO)
I have been doing Naim since 1978. I believe in them and am very loyal to them. Yes, I have listened to most everything else out there. Everything out there that I would be interested in,that is...
I agree there are other options however I must disagree with just one thing you wrote.
"Naim does a lot exceptionally well, but can’t find every solution".
As a business owner I can identify a specific barrior to my customers total enjoyment-
Understand that I have all the means to remove that barrior and decide to leave it to someone else to provide?
Why would I want to give up one bit of market share???
Niche or not its mine because it meets my customers needs, I have exceeded their expectations and the most important part-
I made more money!
Whoed ah thunk Naim would do supports.
Damn smart move if you were to ask me.
Control is everything.
Regards,
Marc
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by tre2fly
Marc, I am a business owner too, leading my niche industry in many ways.
Naim is in the audio component business, with remarkably solid, organic, musical designs, offering complete integration and upgrade options. That’s it. Other “stand-out” companies are mastering musical conveyance too, particularly with speakers, and the “tweak” market related to wire technologies, vibration isolation, power conditioning, and room acoustical treatment.
My HiFi system quest, is to create as live and real a musical experience as possible, and to share my discoveries. The top-end Naim components I have chosen, as with any makers, were a mere shadow of their performance now, fully tweaked.
No one company in any market can always lead or find evey solution. There are brilliant, creative innovators everywhere, and successful businesses pay attention. This I trust, is fundamentally obvious.
Tom
Naim is in the audio component business, with remarkably solid, organic, musical designs, offering complete integration and upgrade options. That’s it. Other “stand-out” companies are mastering musical conveyance too, particularly with speakers, and the “tweak” market related to wire technologies, vibration isolation, power conditioning, and room acoustical treatment.
My HiFi system quest, is to create as live and real a musical experience as possible, and to share my discoveries. The top-end Naim components I have chosen, as with any makers, were a mere shadow of their performance now, fully tweaked.
No one company in any market can always lead or find evey solution. There are brilliant, creative innovators everywhere, and successful businesses pay attention. This I trust, is fundamentally obvious.
Tom
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by David Dever
quote:As a business owner I can identify a specific barrior to my customers total enjoyment-
Understand that I have all the means to remove that barrior and decide to leave it to someone else to provide?
Why would I want to give up one bit of market share???
The effort must ABSOLUTELY be financially worthwhile.
Regulatory compliance is certainly stricter in the E.U. than here, and a power regeneration device must ultimately not put MORE noise onto the mains (externally) than it claims to remove (internally).
Perpetual motion machines do not exist, and energy cannot be stored or transmuted without some loss or compression (hysteresis) in the process.
You happen, Marc, to live in a state where the quality of power (let alone availability thereof) has been subject to wild speculation. Ultimately, that is an issue which affects all consumers of electricity, not just a single hi-fi system–and is far more significant in the long-term, grander scheme of things.
(My .02 worth, anyways...)
P.S. Don't think that I don't sympathize with your plight...!
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Onthlam
Tom-
Appreciate your thoughts on this subject.
I just want to suggest the following is where my head is at.
The definition of salesmanship is the gentle art of letting the customer have it your way.
The two most important requirements for major success are: first, being in the right place at the right time, and second, doing something about it.
When the competition begins to drown?
Shove a hose down their throat!
Control is everything.
Regards,
Marc
Appreciate your thoughts on this subject.
I just want to suggest the following is where my head is at.
The definition of salesmanship is the gentle art of letting the customer have it your way.
The two most important requirements for major success are: first, being in the right place at the right time, and second, doing something about it.
When the competition begins to drown?
Shove a hose down their throat!
Control is everything.
Regards,
Marc
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by tre2fly
Marc, I guess I’m a little confused why this thread on power management has turned to one on salesmanship. I have contended that no company can, or would want to do it all, and that there are superior audio solutions from outside of Naim.
I am open to multilateral talent and integration to create my dream system. Naim plays a huge role in that dream...
Tom
I am open to multilateral talent and integration to create my dream system. Naim plays a huge role in that dream...
Tom
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Onthlam
Mr. Dever-
How the heck are you?
Were you before the move or after?
I am so very happy to see that you are back with NANA.
I sure as hell have missed your expertise and sound advice.
As far as the amount of power out here.I have experienced the rolling black outs, the regulation and the deregulation of companies that should have no right to be in business.
Well they do but if I were king.....
This state in recent years has shown there were more than a million people who have moved out of the state(never in the history of the state has this happened). Insurance companies have moved out and the ones that were writing from out of state are not writing anymore(many of them).
Davis did a real number here while he was in the chair. OK, insert Arnie joke here....
Many times the threat comes from legislators, the power companies, and the green folks all at the same time. But, it's not for the right reasons. They just fight and what comes out is that there will be no power this Summer and doom is just around the corner. The truth comes out that the senior execs get multi million bonuses and the company reports a loss for the year!? Oh, did I mention, the prices go up yet again.
My favorite one will be for this year. We will have a water shortage. Hoover dam water levels will be at their lowest and there is not enough runoff from the mountains to support our water and hydro needs.
Yea-right....We just had the largest amount of rain fall in, I don't even know how many years.
Had a conversation with a buddy who builds nuke plants. He and his family lived out here for many years and witnessed the whole power thing come to fruition. It was when the green folks came(late 80s?)in and said no more nuke power. He believes this was the beginning of the end of a infrastructure that could sustain a level of output to meet the needs no matter what the case.....
All these issues can be fixed.We will need leadership that will lead instead of pandering to the special interest groups. I have never heard of so much waste in my life.
The "sunshine taxes" are alive and well.
We need to come to the middle and make sound decisions that effect the majority. This state is very much against business(big and small).
Though my self centered concerns of having clean power for my system are very important to me. I can't beat the electric companies ability to deliver it, "on demand".
If I had a Sansui receiver I might not care as much. No- that's not the truth either.
Thanks again for your thoughts and reading my babble.
Best,
Marc
How the heck are you?
Were you before the move or after?
I am so very happy to see that you are back with NANA.
I sure as hell have missed your expertise and sound advice.
As far as the amount of power out here.I have experienced the rolling black outs, the regulation and the deregulation of companies that should have no right to be in business.
Well they do but if I were king.....
This state in recent years has shown there were more than a million people who have moved out of the state(never in the history of the state has this happened). Insurance companies have moved out and the ones that were writing from out of state are not writing anymore(many of them).
Davis did a real number here while he was in the chair. OK, insert Arnie joke here....
Many times the threat comes from legislators, the power companies, and the green folks all at the same time. But, it's not for the right reasons. They just fight and what comes out is that there will be no power this Summer and doom is just around the corner. The truth comes out that the senior execs get multi million bonuses and the company reports a loss for the year!? Oh, did I mention, the prices go up yet again.
My favorite one will be for this year. We will have a water shortage. Hoover dam water levels will be at their lowest and there is not enough runoff from the mountains to support our water and hydro needs.
Yea-right....We just had the largest amount of rain fall in, I don't even know how many years.
Had a conversation with a buddy who builds nuke plants. He and his family lived out here for many years and witnessed the whole power thing come to fruition. It was when the green folks came(late 80s?)in and said no more nuke power. He believes this was the beginning of the end of a infrastructure that could sustain a level of output to meet the needs no matter what the case.....
All these issues can be fixed.We will need leadership that will lead instead of pandering to the special interest groups. I have never heard of so much waste in my life.
The "sunshine taxes" are alive and well.
We need to come to the middle and make sound decisions that effect the majority. This state is very much against business(big and small).
Though my self centered concerns of having clean power for my system are very important to me. I can't beat the electric companies ability to deliver it, "on demand".
If I had a Sansui receiver I might not care as much. No- that's not the truth either.
Thanks again for your thoughts and reading my babble.
Best,
Marc
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Onthlam
Tom-
As per above?
That's fine.
How would you describe the change(s)in the system when you added your device. Did it seem more quiet,dark,or was it more of a surgical cut by removing one of three things that need to be addressed?
I will be in touch with Joe at Exact power tomorrow. Have a few more questions.
I sent an email to Grahams to see if they could make a hydra for me. This should make it easier for me to use whatever device I choose. In my room there will be a need to keep this box well away from the kit. I do not care what they say as far as its ability to keep noise from leaking out.
Marc
As per above?
That's fine.
How would you describe the change(s)in the system when you added your device. Did it seem more quiet,dark,or was it more of a surgical cut by removing one of three things that need to be addressed?
I will be in touch with Joe at Exact power tomorrow. Have a few more questions.
I sent an email to Grahams to see if they could make a hydra for me. This should make it easier for me to use whatever device I choose. In my room there will be a need to keep this box well away from the kit. I do not care what they say as far as its ability to keep noise from leaking out.
Marc
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by tre2fly
Marc, I have to leave soon to catch a flight. I'd love to answer you and shall in a day, two or three. Meanwhile, if you go to the link in my first post, you can read my entirely unsolicited product feedback. Thanks, Tom.
Posted on: 25 April 2005 by Onthlam
This is where i'm at with the Exactpower folks.
A 10kVa system that is housed in a 24x24x8" box.
The transformer is of the same type put in their smaller "in house" units.
Same noise reduction,grounding system and balanced power.
Would have it mounted in the garage just opposite of main switchgear. Sparky would
Attach this beast to the main just after the meter.The device has no breaker so a 40 amp
dual pole(I think?)breaker and box will need to be installed. From there connect my #6 that goes to the room.
Why?
It appears that any and all of the units for the inside of the house would not supply enough current for the system to play at any level.(based on real numbers)
This way would be a bit of over kill but with no regrets and room to grow.
Not doing it this second. Time to look at what other firms have to offer.
Marc
A 10kVa system that is housed in a 24x24x8" box.
The transformer is of the same type put in their smaller "in house" units.
Same noise reduction,grounding system and balanced power.
Would have it mounted in the garage just opposite of main switchgear. Sparky would
Attach this beast to the main just after the meter.The device has no breaker so a 40 amp
dual pole(I think?)breaker and box will need to be installed. From there connect my #6 that goes to the room.
Why?
It appears that any and all of the units for the inside of the house would not supply enough current for the system to play at any level.(based on real numbers)
This way would be a bit of over kill but with no regrets and room to grow.
Not doing it this second. Time to look at what other firms have to offer.
Marc
Posted on: 27 April 2005 by Onthlam
It is the Equi=Tech company. Not the ExactPower company that I am working with.Sorry....
Turns out a 50 amp breaker just after the Mains lugs will be the do. 240 into the trans and balanced 60/60 out. Connect the #6 without any breaker on the loaded side.
Need more info on the grounding of the system(Trans box). It appears to change(?) or something like that.
Spoke to my electrician today. He said without a flinch,"Sounds good to me.When do you want to do it?"
The darn thing weighs 300 pounds.....
Still investigating.....
Marc
Turns out a 50 amp breaker just after the Mains lugs will be the do. 240 into the trans and balanced 60/60 out. Connect the #6 without any breaker on the loaded side.
Need more info on the grounding of the system(Trans box). It appears to change(?) or something like that.
Spoke to my electrician today. He said without a flinch,"Sounds good to me.When do you want to do it?"
The darn thing weighs 300 pounds.....
Still investigating.....
Marc
Posted on: 29 April 2005 by Emil F
Marc
It will be very nice to have your feedback about this power beast, if you decide to test one. A naim dealer or distributor also could do this. I like what the German distributor is doing for its customers.
Emil
It will be very nice to have your feedback about this power beast, if you decide to test one. A naim dealer or distributor also could do this. I like what the German distributor is doing for its customers.
Emil