Forum needs upgrade? (Topic moves into other areas)

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

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Originally posted by Reginald Halliday:
Forgive me for going 'off-topic' by referring to the original post, but I would find it useful to be able to preview my posts/replies before posting, as although I try to be careful, like most people I occasionally make typos or formatting errors. This facility is available on many other forums, why not here? Or is this a facility only available after one has reached a certain post count?

No - it isn't a feature of this software. You could try writing in Word, spell checking and then cut & paste into the contribute window. I know I often do.

If you use a Mac then you can select Edit, Spelling, Check Spelling As You Type from the Safari menu.

I don't know if there is an equivalent in Windoze. You can edit your post after posting which is almost as good as preview, not that it stops me making loads of errors.

I find this bizzare, Don still has not really answered the 'why is sodemy wrong?' question. A vague I just do plus it might give you aids a bit weak really.

Its almost like he is religious, but is reluctant to admit the main reason he thinks its wrong is because a book written by men and practised by men with no evidence or truth told him he should think that way.

this world is a really dangerous place as long as religion exists, I feel its probably a lot more dangerous than a world with homosexuals in it.

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Would you sterilise ugly people? Sounds like it to me.

No.
I'm trying to say that kids will always get picked on for their differences, and dealing with it is just a fact of life, just like coping with crossing the road or having to eat sprouts.

Garyi said

"I find this bizzare, Don still has not really answered the 'why is sodemy wrong?' question. A vague I just do plus it might give you aids a bit weak really."



Gary, Adam was quite surprised when he discovered what sodomy is all about. This is what he found,

"ew Shorter English Dictionary
Sodomy:
Any form of sexual intercourse with a person of the same or opposite sex, except copulation; spec. anal intercourse. Also, bestiality.”

and this is what he said

"Which, I confess, opens things up to a degree that I hadn't ever suspected."


In addition, I copied these from two web-based dictionaries

First: "Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality."


Second:
1. Anal copulation of one male with another.
2. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
3. Copulation with an animal.



Adam then followed up with

"I hope we may sensibly leave the animals out of this one."



Sodomy is sodomy. You can't pick and choose the bits you like and then claim its still sodomy. It isn't. Its then something else.

I consider sodomy is wrong because it includes unnatural intercourse, abnormal intercourse, bestiality, copulation with an animal.... (please feel free to add to the list).

Now, my invitation (ie no obligation) to you, and others,is:-
Please explain why you consider sodomy to be acceptable, starting with (say) bestiality.


Garyi also said

"Its almost like he is religious, but is reluctant to admit the main reason he thinks its wrong is because a book written by men and practised by men with no evidence or truth told him he should think that way."

By now, Gary, you will realise just how wrong your unjustified assumption was. And for the avoidance of doubt, you were wrong.


Cheers

Don

I would accept that getting it on with a greyhound is a bit much, are you saying though that someone doing the dirty with a dog is the same as being gay?

Thats a bit lumpy, or am I missing something?

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are you saying though that someone doing the dirty with a dog is the same as being gay?

No. Two separate things.

Cheers

Don

I think the word you intend might be "buggery".

The inclusion of oral intercourse in "sodomy" doesn't concentrate the mind very tightly on a small group.

The animal thing - I'd drop that if you want to keep your audience - many people now live in cities and have limited access to livestock.

Also - I don't think Bestiality Lib have been very visible in their demands to adopt.

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Originally posted by Don Atkinson:

"ew Shorter English Dictionary
Sodomy:
Any form of sexual intercourse with a person of the same or opposite sex, except copulation; spec. anal intercourse. Also, bestiality.”

<snip>

In addition, I copied these from two web-based dictionaries

First: "Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality."


Second:
1. Anal copulation of one male with another.
2. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
3. Copulation with an animal.

Other sources, ones equally as accepted as the ones you list, define it thusly:

When an orgasm is procured for the sake of sexual pleasure without intercourse, this belongs to the sin of uncleanness, which some call masturbation (molities). Second, by intercourse with a member of another species, and this is called bestiality. Third, by intercourse with a person of the wrong sex (ad non debitum sexum), that is, male with male, or female with female, as the Apostle [Paul] says in Romans, and this is called the sodomitical sin (sodomiticum vitium). Fourth, when the natural mode of intercourse is not observed, either because an illicit vessel is used [he means heterosexual anal intercourse] or because other monstrous and bestial modes of intercourse are practiced.

(Thomas Aquinas)

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Five different sexual acts are species of sodomy because each of them prevents procreation in a particular way. The five are: solitary masturbation; bestiality, which violates the human species; same-sex copulation, male-male and female-female; cross-sex anal intercourse; and intercourse with the woman on top, because this hinders conception.

(Leonard Lessius)

So, seeing as the term can easily include oral sex, masturbation, and girl-on-top sex... well, may the non-sodomite among us cast the first stone.

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Originally posted by jayd:
So, seeing as the term can easily include oral sex, masturbation, and girl-on-top sex... well, may the non-sodomite among us cast the first stone.

I suspect there may still be stones.

I could but I won't. Always possitive [at lreast about other people]. Fredrik

So does the Forum need an upgrade then?

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Just that same sex sex is a doomed strategy.

Big H, from a evolutionary biological perspective what if the genome has self selected homosexuality as the answer to parental shortage? Unencumbered by their own natural offspring wouldn't this make gay men natural adopters?

The widely observed 'fraternal birth order' effect predicts each additional older brother influences the sexuality of younger siblings towards homosexuality by about a third. A recent study by Anthony Bogaert of Brock University in Canada suggests this is all nature and no nurture so if the origin is prenatal what has been selecting it? In a family group having lots of procreating sons makes increasing parenting demands and given grandparents are of limited supply throwing in a few non-procreating siblings to help out makes for a useful survival strategy.

And if you don't buy evolutionary biology the same observation from the perspective of Intelligent Design suggests God created gay men to be natural adopters. Beautiful.

But I can hear people asking, OK Sir Smartycyclepants if this is all true why doesn't it work on women because there's no evidence of birth order effects on lesbians. Fearing this would spoil my argument I consulted Gram Ponante in his capacity as 'America's Beloved Porn Journalist' and Grams said they were probably just pretending and they weren't really lesbians at all...

C
Not citing references: we're not on campus now Toto.

Hang on then, is beating one off against religion as well?

Cricky.