The New Toyota PIOUS
Posted by: DAVOhorn on 12 July 2009
Well the new Pious has been launched in Aus.
It has a larger engine 1800cc and not 1500cc as before. It is therefore heavier and has a greater performance (apparently PIOUS owners wanted this) compared to the previous models.
What a lunatic car and what weird owners as they want more performance.
If you want performance from an electric car get a real one.
THE TESLA
God i hate the PIOUS.
You have to burn petrol to charge the batteries what LUNACY.
Ditch the batteries and electric motor and save over 200kg in dead weight. Power to weight ratio will improve thereby reducing the fuel consumption and improving the performance of the PIOUS.
There are now many normal cars that have better fuel consumption using modern petrol and diesel engines.
GGGGGRRRRRRR
David
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by Exiled Highlander
Here you go David, this should keep you happy then.
Jim
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by Mat Cork
quote:
Originally posted by DAVOhorn:
There are now many normal cars that have better fuel consumption using modern petrol and diesel engines.
Aren't you missing the point though Dave? I dunno if it is any good, but the intent of the Pious (like it) is to have very low CO2 emissions, nowt to do with efficiency.
It's an anti-global warming vehicle (apparently) not a petrol saver.
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by MilesSmiles
quote:
Originally posted by Exiled Highlander:
Here you go David, this should keep you happy then.
Jim
Love it, really liked the tuning they gave it.
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by garyi
Does it not require electric from your house then?
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by OscillateWildly
Yes, where does the electricity come from? Do they fly a kite during a thunderstorm?
Petrol - My understanding is that burning one gallon produces 10,500g to 10,700g of Carbon Dioxide (CO2), no matter which vehicle is used. If the owner of a 'Green' car uses two gallons and the owner of a 'Gas Guzzler' uses one gallon, the 'Green' car produces twice as much CO2. Luckily for the 'Green' owner the Government is an arse and will charge 'Gas Guzzler' more. Put VED on petrol.
Cheers,
OW
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by Big Al
I suspect many Prius owners are mpore interested in saving the congestion charge than the planet...
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by 555
Yeah! What has the planet ever done for us?
Posted on: 12 July 2009 by Bruce Woodhouse
I think the Pruis has acheived something important. Since the first generation model it has made it 'normal' to drive a hybrid. Other manufacturers have seen it become mainstream and it has proved reliable, re-sellable (and probably profitable for Toyota).
The truth is that it remains a weak technological breakthrough, but it has provided enormous stimulus that will generate better solutions.
Bruce
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by OscillateWildly
eROCKIT?
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by DAVOhorn
Dear All,
For a truely remarkable car look up Guy Negre and his pneumatic car of YOU TUBE.
The guy is a genius, and made pretty quick Renault F1 cars in a previous life.
Makes the PIOUS look a real dumb idea. Burn petrol to charge a battery to then discharge battery via an electric motor. HAHAHAHAHA
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by DAVOhorn
Just watched a BMW M3 against a Pious 10 laps round a race track at the same speed for 10 laps.
Pious 17.4 mpg
BMW M3 19.4 mpg
HHHHMMMMMMM
David
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Staedtler
David,
The Prius will use it’s engine to charge the batteries, but that’s not its raison d’etre, the majority of the time it is using regenerative braking to top up it’s batteries. This recovers some of the energy usually lost as heat during braking. The batteries then either assist acceleration or allow the car to run on batteries alone up to about 30mph. When the batteries then get low on charge or more demand is asked of the car, the petrol motor will cut in.
Whilst I agree it does carry a weight penalty to hawk the extra batteries and motors around, it does provide a partial solution for city use in particular.
Ian (avid petrolhead).
ps would love to see the M3 compete with a Prius for economy across London...
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Harry
quote:
Originally posted by DAVOhorn:There are now many normal cars that have better fuel consumption using modern petrol and diesel engines.
More important, they output similar emissions volumes during their manufacture. The only way to significantly reduce emissions due to cars is to stop making cars and get the longest possible operational life out of the ones we have. The only company I know who have gone on record about this are LR (Radio 4 last year), who said that for a Defender, the carbon dioxide output as a result of manufacture accounted for about half the output during the vehicle’s life. And what’s the average life of a Defender? It follows that a shiny new eco box will need to be run for scores of years before the balance of emissions justifies making it in the first place.
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by 555
Remember petrol-heads, a letter carried by Royal Mail is quicker than a Porsche Panamera.
This was demonstrated on Top Gear last night so it must be true.
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by fixedwheel
But I don't live on the Scilly Isles, or have friends on Orkney/Shetland (can't remember which)
John
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by fixedwheel
quote:
Originally posted by Jagster:
Whilst I agree it does carry a weight penalty to hawk the extra batteries and motors around, it does provide a partial solution for city use in particular.
Ian (avid petrolhead).
ps would love to see the M3 compete with a Prius for economy across London...
And that is the real point, it is great if you spend a lot of time sitting in traffic jams or commuting at low speeds with many start/stops.
I think it was the Sunday Times that did a comparison, over a mixture of roads, between a BMW 520d and a Prius. The BMW used less fuel than the Prius. Most reports seem to be that the majority of owners average mid thirties mpg.
My old 530d Tourer, 9 years old, 150,000 miles has averaged 39.7mpg since Jan 01 this year. It will do 44mpg on a run, and I've even got 626 miles out of one tank of fuel. All without driving Miss Daisy.
John
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by 555
quote:
But I don't live on the Scilly Isles, or have friends on Orkney/Shetland (can't remember which)
If you can't remember where you or your friends live,
perhaps it's time to ask your doctor if you are still suitable for care in the community?
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by fixedwheel
Fair cop, I shuld have proof read that properly.
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by JohanR
quote:
More important, they output similar emissions volumes during their manufacture. The only way to significantly reduce emissions due to cars is to stop making cars and get the longest possible operational life out of the ones we have. The only company I know who have gone on record about this are LR (Radio 4 last year), who said that for a Defender, the carbon dioxide output as a result of manufacture accounted for about half the output during the vehicle’s life. And what’s the average life of a Defender? It follows that a shiny new eco box will need to be run for scores of years before the balance of emissions justifies making it in the first place.
The usual figure quoted for CO2 output of a car during manufacture is 1/10 of that during it's lifetime. But, I guess, poor little Land Rover needs to be seen as eco friendly...
JohanR (looking forward to buying my first electric car)
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Jono 13
pious = techno dead-end, fcx = the future.
Jono
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Staedtler
Oh yes, the FCX Clarity. And how do you produce the hydrogen? How much of a corbon footprint would it leave to rip out the current petrol/diesel infrastructure to replace it with hydrogen facilities?
ps I don't have the solution either.
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Jono 13
Agreed, but what will happen when the oil runs out?
It is probably not as tragic to convert as you might think as the filling sites are already in place and extracting hydrogen as a known activity.
Using a closed loop of water to hydrogen/oxygen to water with appropriate power inputs will be better long-term. Powering the conversion process is the "interesting" challenge.
Jono
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Staedtler
That seems to be the problem with a lot of "Green" solutions, it just shifts the polution elsewhere...
I wonder how much CO2 I would produce cycling to work rather than driving (not feasible unfortunately) and if I would get taxed on it?
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by 555
I think there's lots of potential (no pun intended!) in electricity generated by wave/tidal devices.
quote:
Fair cop, I shuld have proof read that properly.
Licking windows isn't going to help you John, but it is very entertaining!
Posted on: 13 July 2009 by Harry
quote:
Originally posted by JohanR:
The usual figure quoted for CO2 output of a car during manufacture is 1/10 of that during it's lifetime.
JohanR (looking forward to buying my first electric car)
That's very interesting. Can you point me to some published data on this? I'd very much like to get more in depth information.
Thanks
