Better sound with unclosed CD tray?

Its a shame the way this thread has been crapped.

We don't mind talking about leaving lids off our Linns to improve reproduction, spending fortunes on 500 series components which have suspension built in or buying elaborately designed Fraims which are designed to isolate each component but when someone (a new member too) mentions a way some isolation which we may be able to be "get for free" everone jumps all over him.

If I had a CDP in my rack I would be trying this out now. Why not? I'd be thanking Bobber for joining the forum and adding something constructive, which may make your reproduction better.

Yeah i could hear leaving the cover off the Linn does change the sound. but i left it there just to keep the dust off. I reckon it looks better too.

honestly i will try it tonight and report back if there is imporvement to be had.

We do make crazy jokes here but I think we also appericate any suggestion to imporve sound , especially when its free.

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Originally posted by Bobber:
first i thought that all stuff here is a form of british humor but i feel most answers are bullshit and this is a pool full of sharks

glad to live on the continent...

h.

As a regular forum contributor I am sorry if you have become upset at the replies you got to your original question. In my personal opinion, I think you need to understand that this forum has a lot of very regular contributors who know each other quite well - a bit like guys (and girls) in a bar. Therefore some of the answers can be flippant, and people often get teased. And newcomers are made welcome.

I think people were generally trying to tell you that it is not a good idea (although I have also read the suggestion somewhere else before - never tried it.)

This pond is not really fool of sharks - it is generally calm and safe to play in. As for living on the continent - in my experience you are not safe from rough humour there either. Was is Mark Twain who said "a German joke is no laughing matter"?

Best Wishes

Don, drab downtown York.

I am a German...but I have a nice sense of humour....

So, I guess there are many myths around...but THEN a certified NAIM-dealer should NOT advice me to leave it open, though...

I closed it last night, and this morning, trying to open the door, the easter bunny jumped at me for being too occupied friggling around instead of listening to the music.

And yes, that picture of that poor ass REALLY sucks BIG TIME, sorry pcstockton.

This really just needs an answer from Naim - will playing a CDP with an unclosed CD tray cause any damage - if does then clearly you shouldn't do it; if it doesn't then we can give it go.

I think the LP12 is different because the lid is detachable by design and so no damage results - me I keep my lid on.

ATB Rotf

Dear munch, thank you for taking me seriously.
I REALLY appreciate it.
It wasnt like that before, but I value your experienced opinion.

Oh, by the way...even Music Line (Naim Germany) recommended this "tweak" to me while speaking on the phone...

Jesus, just checked the German Naim-forum...there, everyone does leave the tray a bit open...the members say that their dealers told them to do that...

Who started this myth? Is it a myth??

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Originally posted by Julian H:
Its a shame the way this thread ......

....which may make your reproduction better.

Well said Julian

Now I'm off to try out the effect of a Bedini on ripping CDs....

I believe that the magnetic catch tells the machine when it can power up or down the laser.
So i believe that a misuse of the magnetic device, that provides the correct closing of the drawer, can affect the entire player's reading system.
I'm not going to ruin my great and costly player because of people that think to know more than the engineers that designed it.

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because of people that think to know more than the engineers that designed it.

Great point.

But then dealers should not go over the engineers, right????

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Originally posted by Luxen:

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because of people that think to know more than the engineers that designed it.

Great point.

But then dealers should not go over the engineers, right????

A dealer can be an engineer as well.
But a good dealer (or engineer) do not put a client in the condition to modify and probably ruin a machine.
People can do what they want with their own stuff.

Yeah, an official word would really help...please.

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But then dealers should not go over the engineers, right????

Absolutely, Lux, but then again there are plenty of self confessed 'experts' when it comes to selling Naim equipment.

You know what they say about a little bit of knowledge.

Craig

P.S. There's probably a million things you could do to your Hi-Fi to make a difference. (like playing around with the door on a CDP)

Different is not necessarily better, it's just different, and If you have no clear standard of reference (musical values), then you might as well be the blind leading the blind.

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Originally posted by craig sidwell:

P.S. There's probably a million things you could do to your Hi-Fi to make a difference. (like playing around with the door on a CDP)

Different is not necessarily better, it's just different, and If you have no clear standard of reference (musical values), then you might as well be the blind leading the blind.

RIGHT ON.

Is it April 1st again?

have you been in a coma?its the 9th of April .

Hi -I´v tried it some years ago. Leaving the tray open a bit actually affects how the player sounds! -But whether it is in a good direction or not is a matter of taste. The players i´v tried it on were CD5, CD3.5 and CDX2 and the result were in general a more extended and a more smooth response. It made the players sound a bit more generic "high end" -but i felt that it affected the timing in a bad manner as well. My advice is that you should try it and if you like what it does then fine. But I´v experienced that keeping the player without anything on top of it made a difference to the better -seems that the enclosures are design and tuned to sound the best as it is.

cheers

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Originally posted by ROTF:
This really just needs an answer from Naim - will playing a CDP with an unclosed CD tray cause any damage - if does then clearly you shouldn't do it; if it doesn't then we can give it go.

I think the LP12 is different because the lid is detachable by design and so no damage results - me I keep my lid on.

ATB Rotf

Hi all;

The various laws and legislation governing the design of class 1(2?) laser devices (e.g. CD players) mandates that there be a lid/drawer cover that closes and keeps the laser beam concealed. This is purely for a safety reason. Another thing to consider is that CD players utilize optics in their design and dust is not welcome in such a setting. The law forces Naim and other CDP manufacturers to have a lid/door that closes during operation. Whether going "lid-less" improves the sound is something I have no experience in.

Regards...

Q: When is a tray not a tray?
A: When it's ajar!

Hmm. Always ready to consider new ideas, but this looks like a non-starter to me. Surely letting extra light into a mechanism that's designed to read a beam of light would at best do nothing, or at worst impair the reading process?

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Q: When is a tray not a tray?

A: When it's got an 'ome to go to.

In my humble opinion if your CD player doesn't sound good/enjoyable/right with the drawer closed then there must be something seriously wrong with your system.
My system used to be up the spout once upon a time and I'd try all sorts of useless wacky tweaks to try to get an improvement. But fortunately I've since seen the light.

regards,
mat

mat - Have you still got your green pen?

I find it better with the tray closed.