Calling all J*** friends!
Posted by: The Chap on 20 October 2006
What would be your top three Jazz albums for brilliantly recorded and performed double bass?
Regards
T.C
Regards
T.C
Posted on: 20 October 2006 by nicnaim
TC,
I've got a few favourite tracks with top notch double bass that I would be happy to recommend.
All time best individual track is without doubt "(Do you know what it means to Miss) New Orleans" - Oscar Peterson in Russia - Bassist Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen
Same bassist again but this time on Tanya from "One Flight Up" by Dexter Gordon
A number of tracks from Oscar Pettiford "Vienna Blues: The Complete Session"
Ray Brown on most things and Ron Carter can play a bit as well!
I would be intrigued to know Fredrik's take on the proficiency of his double bass playing jazz bretheren, rather than the classical players.
Regards
Nic
I've got a few favourite tracks with top notch double bass that I would be happy to recommend.
All time best individual track is without doubt "(Do you know what it means to Miss) New Orleans" - Oscar Peterson in Russia - Bassist Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen
Same bassist again but this time on Tanya from "One Flight Up" by Dexter Gordon
A number of tracks from Oscar Pettiford "Vienna Blues: The Complete Session"
Ray Brown on most things and Ron Carter can play a bit as well!
I would be intrigued to know Fredrik's take on the proficiency of his double bass playing jazz bretheren, rather than the classical players.
Regards
Nic
Posted on: 21 October 2006 by Messenger
Bit of a pluck from the canyons of my fading mind as it is a long time (too long) since I've heard it. It added to my fame as an avaricious album buyer when I bought an album for one track. Hope I've got this right, I think it was Joe Farrell, and the album was Moongerms, and the song was 'Folk Song' ... and, oh yes, ... the bassist was lovely Stanley Clarke.
Ok, I've just been and Googled. All correct except it was called (of course) 'Bass Folk Song'.
Does it have to be jazz music? Ok, one of the most widely recorded players has got to be Danny Thompson, and I reckon his work with John Martin was always superb ... how about 'Head and Heart'? Can I sneak that in?
Ron Carter is, of course, great. And, I too, used to love some of those albums with H O Pederson and Oscar. As for Ray Brown, can't think of an individual track but his playing on Sonny Rollins's 'Way Out West' is always a thing of joy to me.
Ok, I've just been and Googled. All correct except it was called (of course) 'Bass Folk Song'.
Does it have to be jazz music? Ok, one of the most widely recorded players has got to be Danny Thompson, and I reckon his work with John Martin was always superb ... how about 'Head and Heart'? Can I sneak that in?
Ron Carter is, of course, great. And, I too, used to love some of those albums with H O Pederson and Oscar. As for Ray Brown, can't think of an individual track but his playing on Sonny Rollins's 'Way Out West' is always a thing of joy to me.
Posted on: 21 October 2006 by The Chap
Thanks messenger and nicnaim.
Anymore contemperary offerings with great recordings?
One I like Erik Truffaz :Bending New Corners
Bass player: Marcello Giuliani
Anymore contemperary offerings with great recordings?
One I like Erik Truffaz :Bending New Corners
Bass player: Marcello Giuliani
Posted on: 21 October 2006 by trane
Orsted Pedersen & Sam Jones - Double Bass (SteepleChase, 1976).
Ed Schuller - The Force (Tutu, 1996).
Gary Peacock & Bill Frisell - Just So Happens (Postcard, 1994).
Gary Peacock - December Poems (ECM, 1979) With Jan Garbarek.
Michael Bisio - Undulations (Omnitone, 2000).
I like them. Dunno about you though.
Of course you can also try Charles Mingus...
Ed Schuller - The Force (Tutu, 1996).
Gary Peacock & Bill Frisell - Just So Happens (Postcard, 1994).
Gary Peacock - December Poems (ECM, 1979) With Jan Garbarek.
Michael Bisio - Undulations (Omnitone, 2000).
I like them. Dunno about you though.
Of course you can also try Charles Mingus...
Posted on: 22 October 2006 by Messenger
I didn't play to the rules at all, did I? Three jazz albums with brilliantly recorded bass. Thank you for being kind and allowing my earlier ramblem, I just love bass players!
Keith Jarret - Changeless (featuring the above mentioned Gary Peacock)
Joe Henderson - Lush Life (f. Christian McBride)
Dave Holland Quintet - Extended Play (f. him!)
I wanted to include...
Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life (f. the great (the greatest?) Jaco Pastorius)
But that would be cheating as it is electric bass. Ooops! I think I just did include it.
Keith Jarret - Changeless (featuring the above mentioned Gary Peacock)
Joe Henderson - Lush Life (f. Christian McBride)
Dave Holland Quintet - Extended Play (f. him!)
I wanted to include...
Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life (f. the great (the greatest?) Jaco Pastorius)
But that would be cheating as it is electric bass. Ooops! I think I just did include it.
Posted on: 22 October 2006 by The Chap
Thanks Trane and Messenger
I would never have guessed that you are Jazz fans from your forum names.
Jaco is amazing and also Stanley Clarke.
Have either of you heard the EriK Truffaz recording ?
Keep em coming!
Regards T.C
I would never have guessed that you are Jazz fans from your forum names.
Jaco is amazing and also Stanley Clarke.
Have either of you heard the EriK Truffaz recording ?
Keep em coming!
Regards T.C
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by Messenger
Not heard the Truffaz.
Art Blakey stole the name from me! Good connection though - Trane and Jazz Messenger.
Jaco! Jaco! Jaco! In Mojo magazine the opening article has three people (usually musicians) who are asked a series of standard questions. I always enjoy this, and usually find it revealing when they are asked (something along the lines of) what musician would you rather be. Only one person has ever got the answer right. I like him, but it was a a pleasant surprise when Boz Scaggs answered he wanted to be Jaco!
Art Blakey stole the name from me! Good connection though - Trane and Jazz Messenger.
Jaco! Jaco! Jaco! In Mojo magazine the opening article has three people (usually musicians) who are asked a series of standard questions. I always enjoy this, and usually find it revealing when they are asked (something along the lines of) what musician would you rather be. Only one person has ever got the answer right. I like him, but it was a a pleasant surprise when Boz Scaggs answered he wanted to be Jaco!
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by Messenger
And ... if I am allowed to stray from the rules again ... Charlie Haden is a great bass player. I've got a CD with just him and Hampton Hawes which really swings (despite it just being the two of them).
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by oxgangs
hi mr chap
anything by brad mehldau has great bass
and piano and drums
mike
but keep your plug loose
mike
anything by brad mehldau has great bass
and piano and drums
mike
but keep your plug loose
mike
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by The Chap:
What would be your top three Jazz albums for brilliantly recorded and performed double bass?
I tried holding off for as long as I could, honest, but no more ... just can't resist an invitation like this.
Here are two albums with what I feel is brilliantly performed and recorded double-bass:
Remember the River
Dreamhouse
You can check them out right here on the Naim label: http://www.thenaimlabel.co.uk/artists/simon_main.htm
Enjoy!
Fred
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by trane
quote:Originally posted by Messenger:
Good connection though - Trane and Jazz Messenger.
You've got that right
BTW, I have that Haden/Hawes date. Isn't it a beauty?
Another great album that I love with Haden is Ornette Coleman's Soapsuds, Soapsuds. Pure joy.
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by trane
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by The Chap:
What would be your top three Jazz albums for brilliantly recorded and performed double bass?
I tried holding off for as long as I could, honest, but no more ... just can't resist an invitation like this.
Here are two albums with what I feel is brilliantly performed and recorded double-bass:
Remember the River
Dreamhouse
You can check them out right here on the Naim label: http://www.thenaimlabel.co.uk/artists/simon_main.htm
Enjoy!
Fred
You're a musician! Boy, I didn't know that
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by The Chap
Snug Mike, snug.
Have you noticed how that particular thread has gone quiet? Whhops i am detracting from my own thread here.
Regards
T.C
Have you noticed how that particular thread has gone quiet? Whhops i am detracting from my own thread here.
Regards
T.C
quote:Originally posted by oxgangs:
hi mr chap
anything by brad mehldau has great bass
and piano and drums
mike
but keep your plug loose
mike
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by The Chap
Incidentally Whhops are genetically modified.
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by The Chap
Thank you!
quote:Originally posted by trane:quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by The Chap:
What would be your top three Jazz albums for brilliantly recorded and performed double bass?
I tried holding off for as long as I could, honest, but no more ... just can't resist an invitation like this.
Here are two albums with what I feel is brilliantly performed and recorded double-bass:
Remember the River
Dreamhouse
You can check them out right here on the Naim label: http://www.thenaimlabel.co.uk/artists/simon_main.htm
Enjoy!
Fred
You're a musician! Boy, I didn't know that
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by trane
quote:Originally posted by The Chap
Have either of you heard the EriK Truffaz recording ?
Keep em coming!
Regards T.C
Sorry, saw your question only now. I had a couple of albums on French Blue Note in the late '90s, and, frankly, they left me cold.
You know, if you let us know what type of jazz you like it would be much easier to make recommendations.
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by The Chap
hi
I do tend to like Blue Note. There is something of a groove on their recordings which I really like. Most people would hold up A Love Supreme as Coltrane's greatest work or even Ascenscion? I own both of these but I think Blue Train reveals a different side of Coltraine and has that Blue note groove. I like the sampling work done by US 3 and that kind of Jazz/Hip Hop fusion. I currently listening to the new album by E.S.T tuesday wonderland. I really like The Bad Plus because of their wonderful mania. Acoustic Ladyland who I suppose could be described as Punk Jazz. But then I also like Miles, Bill Evans, Art Blakey, Charlie Mingus e.t.c. I think many of the British contingent also have something to offer Courney Pine , Julian Joseph. I think Mark Mondesir is one of the greatest drummers ever. I have very eclectic tastes from say commercial rock to Rachmnaniov who for me makes some other composers sound like they are playing games. He has passion like no other and that 'groove' also. Recently I have been introduced to the work of Horowitz 'awesome'.
I like the groove, the vibe , the skill, the emotion, the intelligence, the fun, the power, the passion, the humour, all the colours in many forms.
God Bless !
T.C
I do tend to like Blue Note. There is something of a groove on their recordings which I really like. Most people would hold up A Love Supreme as Coltrane's greatest work or even Ascenscion? I own both of these but I think Blue Train reveals a different side of Coltraine and has that Blue note groove. I like the sampling work done by US 3 and that kind of Jazz/Hip Hop fusion. I currently listening to the new album by E.S.T tuesday wonderland. I really like The Bad Plus because of their wonderful mania. Acoustic Ladyland who I suppose could be described as Punk Jazz. But then I also like Miles, Bill Evans, Art Blakey, Charlie Mingus e.t.c. I think many of the British contingent also have something to offer Courney Pine , Julian Joseph. I think Mark Mondesir is one of the greatest drummers ever. I have very eclectic tastes from say commercial rock to Rachmnaniov who for me makes some other composers sound like they are playing games. He has passion like no other and that 'groove' also. Recently I have been introduced to the work of Horowitz 'awesome'.
I like the groove, the vibe , the skill, the emotion, the intelligence, the fun, the power, the passion, the humour, all the colours in many forms.
God Bless !
T.C
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Messenger
And God Bless you T.C.
Sounds like a damn fine list to me. From examination of your last paragraph my thoughts would seem to make me conclude that I put 'intelligence' to the front of the list. But that is a pretty great list.
Mondesir is fab. Saw the brothers playing in support of (I think) Jon Scofield last year. Not got anything that I can think of on record from them. Do you?
I've not gone too far with the other Brits, except for one track on a Courtney Pine album which I played over and over. Bugger, I've got to get up from my repose and look what it was called. I remember it was co-written by the aforementioned Stanley Clarke and it was a great vibe, fun, had passion and ... it was called ... 'In the garden of Eden'.
Your list of the great names is one I can give a big round of applause to though.
I picked up an EST album ... damn, again, got to get up ... for 3 quid last April in the UK and thought had got some gereat stuff on it ... and it is called ... gets up and goes to the CD racks ... 'Strange place for snow'. What more do you know about them?
Punk jazz? Sounds a good label. Can you tell me more?
I also know what you mean about Blue Train. Some great tunes with a great ... what was that word ... vibe!
Richard
Sounds like a damn fine list to me. From examination of your last paragraph my thoughts would seem to make me conclude that I put 'intelligence' to the front of the list. But that is a pretty great list.
Mondesir is fab. Saw the brothers playing in support of (I think) Jon Scofield last year. Not got anything that I can think of on record from them. Do you?
I've not gone too far with the other Brits, except for one track on a Courtney Pine album which I played over and over. Bugger, I've got to get up from my repose and look what it was called. I remember it was co-written by the aforementioned Stanley Clarke and it was a great vibe, fun, had passion and ... it was called ... 'In the garden of Eden'.
Your list of the great names is one I can give a big round of applause to though.
I picked up an EST album ... damn, again, got to get up ... for 3 quid last April in the UK and thought had got some gereat stuff on it ... and it is called ... gets up and goes to the CD racks ... 'Strange place for snow'. What more do you know about them?
Punk jazz? Sounds a good label. Can you tell me more?
I also know what you mean about Blue Train. Some great tunes with a great ... what was that word ... vibe!
Richard
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Oldnslow
As to great bass playing, I too agree the Charlie Haden/ Hampton Hawes duet CD "As Long As There's Music" is beautiful. Haden and Hawes were on the same wavelength for sure. Hawes was a vastly underrated pianist whose drug problems probably greatly impacted his career, unlike Bill Evans, who managed to persevere despite his condition.
Speaking of Evans, his Riverside recordings with LaFaro (Vanguard sessions, Portrait in Jazz, and Exoplorations) must surely be considered classis sessions for the bass.
Finally, how about a Mingus record. My favorite bass playing by Mingus is on Candid "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus", the last record he made with Eric Dolphy, with great Ted Curson trumpet playing.
Speaking of Evans, his Riverside recordings with LaFaro (Vanguard sessions, Portrait in Jazz, and Exoplorations) must surely be considered classis sessions for the bass.
Finally, how about a Mingus record. My favorite bass playing by Mingus is on Candid "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus", the last record he made with Eric Dolphy, with great Ted Curson trumpet playing.
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Messenger
OHMIGOD ...YES!
How could I have not mentioned the Bill Evans Riverside stuff with Scott Le Faro.
(There's another thread about the impact of things you know about the musicians on your enjoyment of the music, the making of the music, the personal characteristics ... etc. How can you not be affected by the knowledge of Le Faro's imminent death?).
Someone once said to me that they didn't like Waltz for Debby so much because there was too much bass on it. Sounds like a recommedation to me. VERY overused cliche, but surely 'telephathic' was meant to describe these recordings.
Thank you Oldnslow. You've made me feel incredibly snail paced and very ancient.
I'm listening to EST 'Strange place for snow' at the moment'. Very groovy. Think I'll probably give 'Waltz for Debby' a whirl next. An almost constant companion for the last few years has not been treated to my new CDS3 yet. It very much deserves it!
How could I have not mentioned the Bill Evans Riverside stuff with Scott Le Faro.
(There's another thread about the impact of things you know about the musicians on your enjoyment of the music, the making of the music, the personal characteristics ... etc. How can you not be affected by the knowledge of Le Faro's imminent death?).
Someone once said to me that they didn't like Waltz for Debby so much because there was too much bass on it. Sounds like a recommedation to me. VERY overused cliche, but surely 'telephathic' was meant to describe these recordings.
Thank you Oldnslow. You've made me feel incredibly snail paced and very ancient.
I'm listening to EST 'Strange place for snow' at the moment'. Very groovy. Think I'll probably give 'Waltz for Debby' a whirl next. An almost constant companion for the last few years has not been treated to my new CDS3 yet. It very much deserves it!
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Oldnslow
Messenger--Evans/Lafaro recordings have all been 20 or 24 bit remastered and sound much better than the OJC initial releases on CD. I have "Waltz for Debbie" on the pricey Analogue Productions label--absolutely superb, like being a few feet from the trio at the Vanguard nearly 50 years ago. Timeless music.
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Messenger
Ah! Good on you ... thanks ...
I did, as I suggested I would, play Waltz all the way through. It was the first time on the CDS and I got a bit pissed off with being able to tell what that bloody woman is saying ... the audience clanking away has always seemed to be part of the charm. I think that being a few feet nearer the players might be a distinct bonus.
I did, as I suggested I would, play Waltz all the way through. It was the first time on the CDS and I got a bit pissed off with being able to tell what that bloody woman is saying ... the audience clanking away has always seemed to be part of the charm. I think that being a few feet nearer the players might be a distinct bonus.
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by The Chap
Hi richard
I'm no sure what you meant by Punk Jazz as a label, whether you meant a record label or the label I had given to this music. The latter is the case. I have one recording by Acoustic Ladyland (the name is an obvious Hendrix tribute) it is called Last Chance Disco on Babel records and I think calling it Punk Jazz is about right. One of the tracks is called Ludwig Van Ramone. Its a great album, eccentric and fun. The Bad Plus are in a similar vein and take the idea of cover versions to extreme, they are magnificent musicians to boot. if you don't know it already I recommend GIVE on columbia.
You can hear Mark Mondesir on recordings by Julia Joseph: Universal Traveller/ Reality/ and others on East West records. I don't know of any recordings with his brother, but no doubt there will be some. E.S.T were introduced to me by my sister in law. If you go on to Amazon or HMV you can find a number of recordings.
Regards
T.C
I'm no sure what you meant by Punk Jazz as a label, whether you meant a record label or the label I had given to this music. The latter is the case. I have one recording by Acoustic Ladyland (the name is an obvious Hendrix tribute) it is called Last Chance Disco on Babel records and I think calling it Punk Jazz is about right. One of the tracks is called Ludwig Van Ramone. Its a great album, eccentric and fun. The Bad Plus are in a similar vein and take the idea of cover versions to extreme, they are magnificent musicians to boot. if you don't know it already I recommend GIVE on columbia.
You can hear Mark Mondesir on recordings by Julia Joseph: Universal Traveller/ Reality/ and others on East West records. I don't know of any recordings with his brother, but no doubt there will be some. E.S.T were introduced to me by my sister in law. If you go on to Amazon or HMV you can find a number of recordings.
Regards
T.C
quote:Originally posted by Messenger:
And God Bless you T.C.
Sounds like a damn fine list to me. From examination of your last paragraph my thoughts would seem to make me conclude that I put 'intelligence' to the front of the list. But that is a pretty great list.
Mondesir is fab. Saw the brothers playing in support of (I think) Jon Scofield last year. Not got anything that I can think of on record from them. Do you?
I've not gone too far with the other Brits, except for one track on a Courtney Pine album which I played over and over. Bugger, I've got to get up from my repose and look what it was called. I remember it was co-written by the aforementioned Stanley Clarke and it was a great vibe, fun, had passion and ... it was called ... 'In the garden of Eden'.
Your list of the great names is one I can give a big round of applause to though.
I picked up an EST album ... damn, again, got to get up ... for 3 quid last April in the UK and thought had got some gereat stuff on it ... and it is called ... gets up and goes to the CD racks ... 'Strange place for snow'. What more do you know about them?
Punk jazz? Sounds a good label. Can you tell me more?
I also know what you mean about Blue Train. Some great tunes with a great ... what was that word ... vibe!
Richard
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by hungryhalibut
A great recent album is Marc Johnson's 'Shades of Jade' on ECM. Johnson replaced le Faro in the Evans Trio, I believe.
Nigel
Nigel
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Oldnslow
Marc Johnson was actually Evans' final bassist, long after the LaFaro era. Evans went through a number of bassists after LaFaro (Chuck Isreals, Eddie Gomez, Gary Peacock) and none of them were in LaFaro's class in my opinion. Marc Johnson played with Evans in his last few years and was superb, the best since LaFaro and Evans' playing was rejuvinated -- see the two volumes of Live in Paris concert on Elektra/Nonesuch for instance, and the final Village Vanguard sessions--just superb.
Marc Johnson sometimes plays and records with the great Italian pianist Enrico Pieranunzi, probably the closest modern player to Evans who still retains his own style. I suggest the recent "Ballads" on Camjazz for superb bass work by Johnson with Pieranunzi's trio.
Marc Johnson sometimes plays and records with the great Italian pianist Enrico Pieranunzi, probably the closest modern player to Evans who still retains his own style. I suggest the recent "Ballads" on Camjazz for superb bass work by Johnson with Pieranunzi's trio.