What do you think the courts will throw at my friend?

Deported?

Depends on many factors e.g. pleaded guilty or convicted on not guilty plea; magistrates court or higher court; degree of seriousness; aggravating factors...


My guess: minimum 6-month ban and £1000 fine.

A pair of shoes!

Unless his boss says he will have to make some staff redundant if your friend cannot drive as part of his work, then he is stuffed.

Jono

hopefully he will get banned before he kills someone,hes already got 12 points and still hasn't learnt.

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Originally posted by Tony Lockhart:
(he has been using his Zimbabwean licence)

For how long?

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:

quote:

Originally posted by Tony Lockhart:
(he has been using his Zimbabwean licence)

For how long?

For faaar too long. To be fair, he has been back to Zim a few times, so he has been just about legal. He has a British passport. He has pleaded guilty, with mitigating circumstances. The minimum ban for dangerous driving is one year. He has been warned he could receive a custodial sentence.

I agree with most comments. I used to share a beer with him when he 'only' had nine points. He thought the world was against him, but managed to go two years without getting stopped/caught.

Tony

So he is resident here?

"Residents

If you are the holder of an ordinary driving licence (car, moped, motorcycle entitlement) and provided your licence remains valid, you can drive any category of small vehicle shown on your licence for up to 12 months from the time you became resident. To ensure continuous driving entitlement a provisional GB licence must have been obtained and a driving test(s) passed before the 12-month period elapses. If you obtain a provisional licence during this period, you are not subject to provisional licence conditions eg displaying 'L' plates or being supervised by a qualified driver or being precluded from motorways."

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/Dr...gnLicence/DG_4022561

I'll not make a guess at his status of residence. I think it might be small potatoes next to the driving charge.

If he stays in the UK after this, I think he'll have to take an extended test to gain his UK licence.

It's a shame, because apart from his driving he really is a nice guy. He was our safari guide in Zambia, he has done some brave things for charity, he is always there to help. But he can't get out of the African driving mode.

Tony

Unless 'being a nice guy' is a valid defence in court I imagine this will be thrown at him ...

On a guilty plea he is likely to get a very lengthy ban and a hefty fine, how long and how much will most likely depend on how mitigating his circumstances are. Let us know what happens.

All things considered... i think he should be awarded a bicycle, and a pair of cycle clips!

nymph

OK just a guess

£1,000 fine and a 12-month ban

Cheers

Don

The judge was late and the previous case over-ran. So he has to go back tomorrow. That'll be nice!

Tony

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Originally posted by Tony Lockhart:
The judge was late and the previous case over-ran. So he has to go back tomorrow. That'll be nice!

Tony

Does that mean he can be late in paying?

Jono

He's in at 2pm today.

Tick tick tick....

Tony

I'd expect he'll get a number of points and a fine for dangerous driving, the number of points is likely to be 6 i'd expect, and the fine is likely to be means tested, so will vary according to his affluence (or lack of it!).

Of course, the 6 will push him over the edge, so he'll lose his licence under the 'totting up' process:

(from http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/En...ications/DG_069887):

"Disqualification under the ‘totting-up’ system
If you build up 12 or more penalty points within a period of three years, you’ll be liable to be disqualified under the 'totting-up' system.

Generally, you can be disqualified from driving for:

six months if you get 12 penalty points or more within three years
12 months if you get a second disqualification within three years
two years if you get a third disqualification"

Of course, if he already has 12 points then he already should have lost his licence!! So he may have been driving whilst disqualified, which could be more serious...

Phil

Here we go:

2 year ban
200 hours community service
12 month supervision
£800 fine.

Tony

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Originally posted by Tony Lockhart:
Here we go:

2 year ban
200 hours community service
12 month supervision
£800 fine.

Tony

Not enough. Personally I would have shot him before he killed someone else. (Rhetoric). He has obviously never learnt from his previous convictions.
Why do we put up with dickheads like that? Sorry Tony, I know you didn't want the moral high ground but his behaviour is disgraceful.

Mark

Sheriff 555

"Nice Guy, you are hereby sentenced to have your testicles removed without anaesthetic"

......with a rusty chisel !

And yet I happened to see one of those police chase programmes the other day and: a nutter trying to lose the police in a stolen car for over two hours, colides with several parked cars, tries to resist arrest. One year ban. For an adrenaline junkie almost worth it! Perhaps his dad was a mason.

Tony

Or perhaps there are insuficcient deterents in place to disuade lunatic drivers of any persuasion. Nice guy or chav, the consequences are potentially the same.

MT

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One year ban. For an adrenaline junkie almost worth it! Perhaps his dad was a mason.

Its our pathetic system. He should have got 2 years inside and a 5 year driving ban.

Don't know whether that would have made your mate feel any better though.

cheers

Don

Just wait 'till he gets caught riding his bike with no lights

His probation officer says that his punishment was too harsh and he should appeal! FFS.

Tony