Hearts of Darkness:

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Originally posted by andy c:
Andyc vod nodoubtfritzwillnowsay'I ain't sayin nuffin'innit.

Golly, you speak Fritzish too! Don't forget the asterisks, John, innit**

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Originally posted by andy c:
Fritz,
the story will be interesting - no doubt.

3 points, tho:
1. It will be interesting to see the IPCC reply/investigation, won't it?
2. You make a very early assumption re the outcome of the case w/out the facts. Are you assuming the full facts from a private eye report? I wish I had that luxury.
3. How about a posistve story...?

Andyc vod nodoubtfritzwillnowsay'I ain't sayin nuffin'innit.

The IPCC is a complete and well proven farce that has nothing to do with reality Our Andy. Officers across the country for whatever reason are obviously always innocent and retire early on full pension (Perhaps you'd care to site some cases that didn't)? Public-police confidence in UK is at an all time low, and constantly getting lower (This does not require a inquiry ), and until qualified /educated, ie literate) coppers walk the streets things will remain so. UK now has in one of its most powerful positions a man out to prove a point (Reid) a very dangerous man in my opinion*

Fritz von Private Eye could well be not seen so often in the UK in the not too distant future, and more and more unelected (untrained uneducated thugs) are being given Local Council powers of ridiculous proportions (including arrest and fining) and acting upon anybody (usually the weakest in society) who even dares to speak against local policy (I even agree with Mr Toy on that one)*



P,S. My two friends who's houses were robbed etc recently (as stated here by me, not PE) still have had no insurance payments due to lack of police reports, and non existent CSI investigation, the list is endless, and the answer (impolite too) is always the same. Trust in Britain's police is swiftly becoming history, if you don't see that Old Fruit then you're living in cloud cuckoo land, innit*

I ain't sayin nowt though, you know me:

Cronyism rules OK dunnit Our Mick*

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Originally posted by jasons:
I think it was very brave of the parents to allow permission for this video to be released.These kind of people diserve to be put away, and then, once there, they will wish they had never done it.

Why? Because, remember, there is always someone else bigger, more powerful, and more violent, that would probably do more un metionable things to them than they could ever think of.

Let this scum rot.

I know this may not seem very P.C., but hey, they didnt care did they?

Lets hope they catch em.

I'm afraid the scum that is the British Gutter press doesn't require permission to show super sensational videos etc. As nasty as it may seem, the CCTV crowd will hail their position, and the rest will get washed over. 1 teenager in UK dies every two weeks from stabbing/slashing/Chibbing or whatever else one may wish to call it. 90% of all attacks are carried out with non domestic 'sexy' weapons which for some reason can still be sold in UK (they have no use at all at all).


Fritz von The answer is very simple and staring one in the face, but folk prefer to distract into silly irrelevant arguments about using screwdrivers and Mummie's bread knife instead.


Obvious innit Tom*

If you put into context the 'wisdom' resulting in the tragic death of the WSC recently, and put her actions in a normal member of the public's hands instead the questions surrounding it will be very different. No weapon in the first place may well have saved her, if she had got him (and injured him) she would be hailed a hero (If you or I did we would be charged with GBH etc, and asked why we didn't dial 999 as Our Andy would no doubt say in his perfick little unchallengable world*

I've seen that nobody questioned her actions which sends the signal to many (including daft kids) that it's the right & proper thing to do*

Just about sums up New Labour & British apathy*


Goodnight*

Apparently somebody's been caught selling under 18's baseball bats in Watford*


Fritz von Shocked & Stunned*

HauptBahnhof is normally spelt as one word, I'm amazed that no pedants were on duty to remind one of the fact, perhaps they're all being jolly clever on the old Pink Salmon Show instead, innit*

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Talking of Bloody Changes


- They liked it so much they bought the community: British Nuclear Group to sponsor new academy near Sellafield.

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Nothing new there then*

This is nothing new Fritz. There was a young couple years ago, whom lived close to Sellafield, who decided to sell-up and move because the health risks posed by Sellafield.

Now when they came to sell, a survey was carried out which highlighted the house was contaminated with radiation. Eventually this drove the price down, but, it still did not sell and with no buyers in sight.He took BNF to court too try and recover his losses, they failed because the judge decided in favour of BNF.

Now have a guess who bought that house, if you're thinking along the lines BNF, you will be bang on the money.

The house still stands empty to this day!

Beano

And guess where the local Academy genius's will end up working, all tied in with family firm etc, etc, so all in it together so to speak?



Fritz von They'll be building modern affordable Pit homes soon too no doubt*(easy life-long credit)

Apparently the odds of far more innocent people getting er, 'accidentally' shot by British Police if they were armed are about evens, perhaps that's why they're not then, innit?

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Just about sums up New Labour & British apathy*


Goodnight*

Tres drole!

John, asterisks, innit, von...

"Early one mornin the sun was shinin, I was layin in bed***"

Fritz von My favouritist song from Our Robert methinks*

I see that the new Home Secretary's gone on holiday abroad then!

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Originally posted by jcs_smith:
I have dealt with knife attacks several times. Fortunately so far everyone who has attackled me has done it from the front or the side and I've been able to defuse the situation. Doing Krav Maga I practice defence against the knive regularly, but I realise there's not a whole lot you can do to defend yourself against the guy who comes up behind you and sticks the knife in. What is quite common now is kids carrying knives, walking up behind you in shopping centres and sticking the knife in the back of your leg or your bum. I always wear a tab vest at work and so far I've never needed it but I am conscious that someday I may not be able to defend myself so I practise knife defenses all the time to make sure I'm ready for it when it happens

Perhaps you should spend more time learning basic English mate, as well as teaching defencless old ladies how to avoid being terrorised by unelected Council workers, park-keepers dressed as er, Coppers (with batons & cuffs etc) and CSO's who seem to think they are, er,, real coppers*


Fritz von If you're sincere in your last post, then I'm afraid I think that you're a Prize Plonker and am very pleased that you do not carry er, firearms as well as all those heros like you*

Plese feel free to reply, or perhaps you'd like to threaten me and tell me to wind my neck in?

I can just imagine you and Our Tarquers after a few pints, been there done it, I thought you'd all become extict, obviously not John*

extinct even!

Woke this moaning thinking the nightmare was still rolling. BBC WS had switched on and I start the day with the droning morose ramblings of Cherie Blair's patrionising self-praise whilst being interviewed by an even more arse licky interviewer.


Fritz von She said lots and lots and lots of nothing (A Matrix of taxpayers dosh) *


N.B. Congratulations to Mrs Mick too, A Great Achievment by anybody's standards, innit*

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and asked why we didn't dial 999 as Our Andy would no doubt say in his perfick little unchallengable world*

Fritz,

by all means fire* back with your constant negativity - and it may shock you that I have no issue with that.

I also have no issue if someone has a genuine complaint re lack of service - if they have then they are right and proper to do so. You also seem to have an insider in the IPCC and obviously know all the cases they are handling, and also know that all theire cases end up with nothing happening!!! Not!

Matey, by all means accuse me of living in a perfect world, but alas that one's a bit off the mark, as it's obvious you have no idea what world I live in, or indeed have to witness.

Your two friends who have not had a crime number, Why is that? Perhaps a phone call in the right place to complain would be in order? Still - no doubt you will reply back saying 'what's the point?' - well, I've answered that one before.

Just to reiterate - If you are not getting a service, ask why? Not stisfied with the answer, push more. The accountability is for the police to the public after all.

Oh, and your unerring confidence with some area's of the media is touching, but when you have been fully awars of the circs of an incident, then seend how, in some cases, it's been 'altered' by the media...

Still, i ain't saying nowt other than towing the party line, am I **?*

Andy OLd fruit thank you for wasting your precious time on me again (It's Sunday afterall John). Jumping into the personal 'I do this I do that is not the point', and is simply wasting more of your own time; and I've never had an anti-police stance yet on this forum as far as I can remember, or perhaps you'd like to remind me of one, as well as naming some disgraced Officers who've not been pensioned off early, etc, etc, to protect the Good Of All, ie, the Ranks:?


Fritz von The IPCC is a FARCE² (and is not one iota Independent) so therefore has no credibility in my view, and your comments regarding my own friends on those occasasions are not even worth replying too I'm afraid*

Perhaps (as I repeat again) Officers from other Forces should investigate Officers from other forces*

Go easy on the custard*

Fritz,
thanks for taking the time to reply. I know its sunday - I was working till 4am dealing with what I have to deal with up until then!

Perhaps you are right, in that you 'assume' the IPCC is a farce based on your info which is indeed from the media, which of course tells the full facts from all sources and doesn't discern whther a story is worth printing at all. Who am I to argue with that. You friends do the service no favours at all by lack of complaning re lack of action IMV.



have a nice day...

I think you'll find that Private Eye is very popular amongst Senior Police Officers across the land as well as at number 10 John.


Fritz von What exactly is your point about doing a nightshift on a saturday night, are you the only one in the UK, do you not get well paid etc, etc, (unlike soldiers you may resign asap) I'm afraid I do not see where you're coming from, or where you're going for that matter, don't like critisism, don't get promoted and leave, it's pretty simple really*

though I do suspect that you have a social concscience Our Andy:


P.S. I do not regard raising awkward questions as negative by the way, as well as I don't regard the constant steriotypical calls of where's your evidence, and who do you know as positive either?*

It's as old as the hills John*

Frizy,

You old as the hills comments equally apply to always finding a negative issue, rather than pointing to the odd plus that also happens.

Touche re your comment re working nights not being worthy of a reply...

'Where's your evidence' is quite apt, as on a few occasions the initial allegation has been found to be unfounded.

Still, what do I know, I'm just being stereotypical, eh. I mean, I have no facts to base my assumptions on, do I?

One thing we do agree on is I do have a social concience.

regards
andy*

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Originally posted by andy c:
Frizy,

You old as the hills comments equally apply to always finding a negative issue, rather than pointing to the odd plus that also happens.

Touche re your comment re working nights not being worthy of a reply...

Negative Issues as you call them are compiled by investigative journ'os, and especially in police related matters would be brought straight before the courts and to task etc etc, etc, if there wasn't any substance in them (as the Eye has proven over many years of winning cases). If you honestly believe that other press agency's and local papers are going to print Negative Issues, without the hack, editor being swiftly ousted (as is often the case) then you're sadly missguided old son. The point here is that these issues au-negative would normally never be known about or aired in public, subsequently making the offenders and culprits even more confident that they can continue with it, making life impossible for straight guys & gels who inevitably leave under the unwinnable stress early (as you well know) you're either with us or you against us, there's NO IN BETWEEN.


Fritz von Overtime should be banned* (and no, I'm not referring to you)

Good t'see Home Office Communications improving already then! Reid read the memo as "Get T'France John", I ain't sayin nuffin though*

Fritz von St Catherines Dock does a nice pie n'pint*

If you ban o/t, the wheel would come totally of, me old son.

Your argument re media is flawed, although I don't disagree re reporting of cases of crap doings...

120,000 CSO's soon to be (aka Brown's statement) they are unpaid are they not, hence big savings on er, overtime, & as you may know er, Transport cops have been doing stuff out of their er, remit/territory for er, years?


Fritz von The Press 'Media' aspect went seriously AWOL after the David Thingy er, 'Suicide'* re: WMD's



"If you see a man opening a car door for a woman, it's either a new car or a new woman"

HRH Phil von Bubble*

Are you referring to PCSO's? If so they are paid, but not legally warranted (in relation to the office of constable) - their powers are granted by the relevant chief officers. And they can earn o/t - on this one you can trust me

What interests me by today's visit by the Pope to Poland and the C-Camps is the different spins given by the three main English speaking News er, Media thingys. Firstly it's well established on here that I am no Hollocaust denyer etc, etc. Many Jews living in Europe have made their views clear on Israeli policy's so that's a pointer too, ie, they'd rather live in Europe & the States etc, than in Israel. The German language to-date has been banned at these sites (oficially) and 'Israel' freaked out some years back when Christian Crucifixes were situated near the sites (in fact near the Mega-Hypermarket on its border (far more suitable eh, and well visited daily?) and were immediately removed.

Ever since I've lived here in Berlin all Jewish establishments, including synagogues, hospitals, schools, business's of size etc, etc, (and the Embassy too naturally though that is Israeli rather than Jewish) have had 24/7 armed guards watching over them, unlike all the Jewish places I grew up next (and school I went to) to in London as a child, meaning that the threat is against the State of Israel (which may be blatantly obvious to some, though obviously not to others) and not to Jewish set-ups as such.


The spin of the afore-mentioned three major er, media outlets always seems to forget the fact that the majority of 'JEWS' murdered by the Nazis spoke German (and many not much more, never mind yer Hollywood everybody speaks Yiddish stuff) being their native tongue, and native country to-boot, perhaps this should be remembered on occassion?*


Fritz von So I suppose we think that German Jews who escaped to Israel/Palestine got on well with their other European speaking counterparts, I think not somehow*


I'll be getting called a racist next*

quote:

Originally posted by andy c:
Are you referring to PCSO's? If so they are paid, but not legally warranted (in relation to the office of constable) - their powers are granted by the relevant chief officers. And they can earn o/t - on this one you can trust me

I'll stick with CSO's thanks Our Andy, and do you mean they get an allowance like SC's and TA people, or are they full time tax payers like you and Our Mick?*

Police Community SO's are full time, paid according to shift work etc.

As such, they come under local govnt, and are UNISON covered. As such, they can claim O/T also as part of their contract.

Special Constables are diff - hope that clears it up.

andy.

Cheers Our Andy I'd better get training then*

" I am a PCSO in Nottingham, a city of similar size and similar problems and have been for over a year. The police officers here appreciate our presence. We take a huge workload off their shoulders whilst generating little in return. Our constant presence on the streets has led to a noticeable DECLINE in general crime levels, and an increase in public praise for the police service as a whole.

When will the Federation, and the sensationalist news media learn that we are here to stay, that we make a positive contribution, and that if we were to vanish tomorrow, problems and crime would rise once again. As for the "hobby bobbies" remark, I find it a disgusting, outdated remark. Once used to revile the Special Constabulary, it's now been shifted onto us, especially when you consider that many of us work over 40 hours per week, in all weathers in order that we might better serve our communities, suffering abuse and attacks from people on the street and from our own superiors. I think the term hobby bobby is inappropriate to say the least. S, Nottingham 12/03/2005 at 12:43 "


Fritz von Evenin All*