Jill Dando murder
Posted by: count.d on 02 August 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2489785/Jill-Dan...ts-over-verdict.html
It was a baffling case that started in 1999 and I couldn't help but be interested, even though it was headlines because of the victim.
I can't help but feel that Barry George should be put away anyway, but maybe that's ignorant and/or barbaric. From reports, the police seem adamant that they investigated all leads and they have nothing else new.
Open to discussion.
It was a baffling case that started in 1999 and I couldn't help but be interested, even though it was headlines because of the victim.
I can't help but feel that Barry George should be put away anyway, but maybe that's ignorant and/or barbaric. From reports, the police seem adamant that they investigated all leads and they have nothing else new.
Open to discussion.
Posted on: 02 August 2008 by Tony Lockhart
quote:
I can't help but feel that Barry George should be put away anyway,
Er, why?
Tony
Posted on: 02 August 2008 by count.d
I'll ignore the "er" and unusually still reply as I asked the question.
Apart from stalking another woman at the time of the shooting (his words) and approaching 38 women in a three week survielance (nothing wrong in that I hear someone say). He had compiled lists with the addresses, descriptions, photographs and car registration numbers of almost 100 women. In 1980 he was charged and acquitted of indecent assault, but shortly afterwards he was convicted on a similar charge for which he received a suspended three month sentence. In 1983 he was convicted at the Old Bailey for the attempted rape of a woman in his apartment block and served 23 months of a 33 month sentence. Shortly before this, as was revealed after his arrest for the Dando murder, he had been found attempting to break into Kensington Palace. He had been discovered on one occasion hiding in the grounds wearing a balaclava and carrying a knife, and in possession of a poem he had written to Prince Charles. Between 1981 and 1989 he had also developed a fascination with weapons and had for a brief period been a member of the Territorial Army before failing his basic training. He applied to join a gun club, but was refused for lack of a suitable referee. A psychologist studying Barry George since his arrest for the Dando murder concluded that he was suffering from several different personality disorders.
This was obviously all cut and pasted, and I'm sure a good solicitor could argue each point. but I think I can safely say he needed help. Put away for help.
Apart from stalking another woman at the time of the shooting (his words) and approaching 38 women in a three week survielance (nothing wrong in that I hear someone say). He had compiled lists with the addresses, descriptions, photographs and car registration numbers of almost 100 women. In 1980 he was charged and acquitted of indecent assault, but shortly afterwards he was convicted on a similar charge for which he received a suspended three month sentence. In 1983 he was convicted at the Old Bailey for the attempted rape of a woman in his apartment block and served 23 months of a 33 month sentence. Shortly before this, as was revealed after his arrest for the Dando murder, he had been found attempting to break into Kensington Palace. He had been discovered on one occasion hiding in the grounds wearing a balaclava and carrying a knife, and in possession of a poem he had written to Prince Charles. Between 1981 and 1989 he had also developed a fascination with weapons and had for a brief period been a member of the Territorial Army before failing his basic training. He applied to join a gun club, but was refused for lack of a suitable referee. A psychologist studying Barry George since his arrest for the Dando murder concluded that he was suffering from several different personality disorders.
This was obviously all cut and pasted, and I'm sure a good solicitor could argue each point. but I think I can safely say he needed help. Put away for help.
Posted on: 03 August 2008 by 555
Imprisoning someone should be because they are a danger to society,
& only the professionals involved have the information to make that decision.
Barry George claims "I have changed", but he would, wouldn't he?
As for poor Jill, I hope justice will be done.
I was regularly working on 'Crimewatch' at the time of her murder.
Back then it appeared likely she was the victim of a professional hit,
as Jill made many enemies because of her work on that programme.
This type of murder can be very difficult to solve,
& there was massive pressure on the police to produce a suspect.
& only the professionals involved have the information to make that decision.
Barry George claims "I have changed", but he would, wouldn't he?
As for poor Jill, I hope justice will be done.
I was regularly working on 'Crimewatch' at the time of her murder.
Back then it appeared likely she was the victim of a professional hit,
as Jill made many enemies because of her work on that programme.
This type of murder can be very difficult to solve,
& there was massive pressure on the police to produce a suspect.
Posted on: 03 August 2008 by scottyhammer
lets just say that if i were a woman living near mr george id sleep easier if he was inside.
Posted on: 03 August 2008 by scottyhammer
IF barry george is innocent of jill dandos murder then WHO is ?
Posted on: 03 August 2008 by 555
Everybody except the murderer Scotty! 
That is also a most unfortunate turn of phrase!
quote:lets just say that if i were a woman living near mr george id sleep easier if he was inside.
That is also a most unfortunate turn of phrase!
Posted on: 03 August 2008 by scottyhammer
guilty i mean !
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by Ewan Aye
The point is that he was convicted of a murder that he is not guilty of.
The fact he was nailed for it in the first place is a result of his known history and lazy police work obviously made the crime fit.
There is no evidence that Barry George is a murderer even though he stalks women with poems to Prince Charles in his pocket(!?). He clearly needs help, but in prison for a murder he didn't commit isn't the right way. It might be convenient, but that doesn't make it right.
The most worrying factor is that there is a murderer out there getting away with it and 8 years later, we'll never be any the wiser to who it is.
I'm hoping that they can charge him with stalking and other stuff and sentence him for 8 years, already served (to avoid compensation), and then give him the help he needs.
It's pretty clear that he shouldn't be free, and now everyone knows who he is and what he does, he probably isn't safe anyway. I'm sure the police will think him being murdered would be convenient too, so I doubt they do anything to prevent that.
If we gave people with mental health problems the care they needed instead of casting them out, Jill Dando might still be alive and countless others too.
I don't know why we treat people like this. It's shameful. Just think for a moment about the parallels with the Nazis in the 30s. Shoot them in the head and get rid of the problem? I was hoping we were better than that.
The fact he was nailed for it in the first place is a result of his known history and lazy police work obviously made the crime fit.
There is no evidence that Barry George is a murderer even though he stalks women with poems to Prince Charles in his pocket(!?). He clearly needs help, but in prison for a murder he didn't commit isn't the right way. It might be convenient, but that doesn't make it right.
The most worrying factor is that there is a murderer out there getting away with it and 8 years later, we'll never be any the wiser to who it is.
I'm hoping that they can charge him with stalking and other stuff and sentence him for 8 years, already served (to avoid compensation), and then give him the help he needs.
It's pretty clear that he shouldn't be free, and now everyone knows who he is and what he does, he probably isn't safe anyway. I'm sure the police will think him being murdered would be convenient too, so I doubt they do anything to prevent that.
If we gave people with mental health problems the care they needed instead of casting them out, Jill Dando might still be alive and countless others too.
I don't know why we treat people like this. It's shameful. Just think for a moment about the parallels with the Nazis in the 30s. Shoot them in the head and get rid of the problem? I was hoping we were better than that.
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by rupert bear
(guilty)quote:Originally posted by scottyhammer:
IF barry george is innocent of jill dandos murder then WHO is ?
Which is the question everyone's ignoring.
Barry George was and is a gigantic smokescreen and should now be paid off and forgotten. He says he was stalking etc and you believe him? - he's educationally subnormal and a poor guy who needs help, end of story.
Right - Jill Dando was shot by a professional hitman who disappeared without trace.
Who ordered the killing? Hmmm... you have a very attractive and successful but more or less unattached female who someone wanted out of the way. Could be someone very powerful and important? Or not, obviously. I've got a couple of ideas....
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by Howlinhounddog
quote:I've got a couple of ideas....
Go on and share, we wont tell
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by rupert bear
quote:Originally posted by Howlinhounddog:quote:I've got a couple of ideas....
Go on and share, we wont tell
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by 555
GUILTY!
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by 555
Scotland Yard is to review the unsolved murder of Jill Dando,
so M.T.'s days are numbered!
so M.T.'s days are numbered!
Posted on: 04 August 2008 by count.d
I thought we were going to have a multi page discussion on this topic and have the case solved by today in a good old padded cell fashion.
You just never know what the next Rubik's Cube is going to be!
You just never know what the next Rubik's Cube is going to be!
Posted on: 05 August 2008 by Jet Johnson
quote:Jill Dando was shot by a professional hitman who disappeared without trace.
....No way
....The sort of people who would be affected by a crimewatch report would also know Jill Dando was merely the professional presenter fronting the programme ...they would know the real "power" behind Crimewatch was the numerous policeman who actually sifted through the info given by the public.
...Jill Dando was an excellent presenter but she could have been presenting any type of programme the beeb felt a pretty female face was best suited to at any given time.
Wouldn't real gangsters know she wasn't personally investigating anybody?
...And wouldn't real gangsters avoid trying to kill such a high profile figure thus attracting unwanted attention to the crime?
Posted on: 05 August 2008 by 555
I can see your logic Jet, but it cuts both ways.
Because JD was the public face of CW she was a prime target for revenge.
The mentality of gangsters is such that they see JD as someone making a living from helping the police to find them, & ultimately put them in jail.
Crims do perceive CW put them behind bars because the police catch up with so many of them after an item on CW. I know from 1st hand experience the CW production team are aware many heavy duty persons currently residing in HM prisons after featuring on CW harbour a grudge against them. The key staff in the CW team have to take personal security precautions as a result. You'd be amazed how many police, probation officers, etc watch CW because there's a good chance they will have useful information relating to an item.
What better way for Mr. Big to say 'don't f**k with me' then hitting a public figure like JD?
Because JD was the public face of CW she was a prime target for revenge.
The mentality of gangsters is such that they see JD as someone making a living from helping the police to find them, & ultimately put them in jail.
Crims do perceive CW put them behind bars because the police catch up with so many of them after an item on CW. I know from 1st hand experience the CW production team are aware many heavy duty persons currently residing in HM prisons after featuring on CW harbour a grudge against them. The key staff in the CW team have to take personal security precautions as a result. You'd be amazed how many police, probation officers, etc watch CW because there's a good chance they will have useful information relating to an item.
What better way for Mr. Big to say 'don't f**k with me' then hitting a public figure like JD?
Posted on: 06 August 2008 by Ewan Aye
quote:Originally posted by 555:
What better way for Mr. Big to say 'don't f**k with me' then hitting a public figure like JD?
Seeing as nobody knows who did it, then that doesn't make sense. You may be right though, because these criminals really aren't very bright - which is why they are criminals in the first place I guess.
Posted on: 06 August 2008 by rupert bear
quote:Originally posted by Jet Johnson:quote:Jill Dando was shot by a professional hitman who disappeared without trace.
....No way
....The sort of people who would be affected by a crimewatch report would also know Jill Dando was merely the professional presenter fronting the programme ...they would know the real "power" behind Crimewatch was the numerous policeman who actually sifted through the info given by the public.
...Jill Dando was an excellent presenter but she could have been presenting any type of programme the beeb felt a pretty female face was best suited to at any given time.
Wouldn't real gangsters know she wasn't personally investigating anybody?
...And wouldn't real gangsters avoid trying to kill such a high profile figure thus attracting unwanted attention to the crime?
I didn't imply that the person who hired the hitman was a gangster - or necessarily someone with a previous record.
Lateral thinking required.