Most over rated ever?
Posted by: woodface on 29 April 2002
Which artist or band do you consider the most over rated? I can think of a couple; Mercury Rev (how did they ever get a deal?) and I better not mention the other by name, but you can probably guess through my previous posts!
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Bruce Woodhouse
Springsteen
The Boss? Just do not get it.
I find him unlistenable, Born in the USA makes me cringe more than anything else. Unfortunately my wife has the Greatest Hits CD in her car.
Bruce
The Boss? Just do not get it.
I find him unlistenable, Born in the USA makes me cringe more than anything else. Unfortunately my wife has the Greatest Hits CD in her car.
Bruce
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Jez Quigley
Sting
Phil Collins
Elton John
U2
Robbie Williams
Celine Dion
+ almost everything that makes it onto the Brit Awards.
Nowt wrong with Springsteen, a few duffs in recent years maybe, but watch the 'Live in NYC' DVD for a treat. If you think 'Born in the USA' is cringe making, then you havn't listened to it properly - Ronald Reagan made the same mistake, he thought it was a patriotic song!
Phil Collins
Elton John
U2
Robbie Williams
Celine Dion
+ almost everything that makes it onto the Brit Awards.
Nowt wrong with Springsteen, a few duffs in recent years maybe, but watch the 'Live in NYC' DVD for a treat. If you think 'Born in the USA' is cringe making, then you havn't listened to it properly - Ronald Reagan made the same mistake, he thought it was a patriotic song!
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Bruce Woodhouse
It is not the words or sentiments-it is the lumpen grating racket he makes.
Bruce
Bruce
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by redeye
" Just dont get whats so good about them"
And neither does anybody else (anymore). Having said that there are moments of sheer magic on the first album. Steep slide from then on tho.
'Def Maybe' surely all-time candidate for worst production job ever. Engineer obviously as pissed as the band...not a good look
And neither does anybody else (anymore). Having said that there are moments of sheer magic on the first album. Steep slide from then on tho.
'Def Maybe' surely all-time candidate for worst production job ever. Engineer obviously as pissed as the band...not a good look
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Steve Catterall
Frank Zappa and Van Morrisson
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by greeny
Frank Zappa
I've tried, a few times thinking I must be missing something, Got Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats. Complete Rubbish, I obviously am missing a lot.
The Byrds
Ok some of there stuff is OK, but competely overrated.
The Band
As for the Byrds really.
Moby Grape.
There album seems to be loved by all critics, I just can't see why.
I've tried, a few times thinking I must be missing something, Got Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats. Complete Rubbish, I obviously am missing a lot.
The Byrds
Ok some of there stuff is OK, but competely overrated.
The Band
As for the Byrds really.
Moby Grape.
There album seems to be loved by all critics, I just can't see why.
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
In pop/rock my vote goes for U2. Never really understood the appeal.
In classical Shostakovich.
David
In classical Shostakovich.
David
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Top Cat
Zappa is like malt whisky. At first it may not agree with your palate, but it really will make sense over time...
My most-overrated?
Elvis, most modern pop, Mozart.
Controversial, I know
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
My most-overrated?
Elvis, most modern pop, Mozart.
Controversial, I know
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Dave J
With the exception of Zappa, Van Morrison (shame on you, guys!) and some Elvis, I agree with all of the above.
May I also please add the Manic Street Preachers, Travis and that bouffanted sax-warbler, Kenny G.
Dave
May I also please add the Manic Street Preachers, Travis and that bouffanted sax-warbler, Kenny G.
Dave
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Steve Catterall
Just thought I'd reiterate what absolute tosh Frank Zappa and Van Morrison are.
Zappa is NOTHING like malt wiskey. More like Piss - doesn't agree wityh my palate and never will. Purile pretentious drivel
Zappa is NOTHING like malt wiskey. More like Piss - doesn't agree wityh my palate and never will. Purile pretentious drivel
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by John C
Pretentious pub rocker.
John.˚
John.˚
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by garyi
Zappa!!!
What are you on about? the man is/was fantastic, he was very proliferent and consequently a number of his ambums were holwers.
But common, Hotrats, Waka Jawaka, Burnt Weeny, Apostrophe to name but a few are excellent.
You can't say he is crap just because you heard one single album of 70 you didn't like
(gary sulks off to listen to some zappa)
Van Morrison, what are you on about? This man is fantastic, I can't think of anything off the top of my head which could be considered bad or over rated.
Get your self sorted out
(gary sulks off to listen to Van the Man)
You people make me Sick, Sick I tells ya OOOooooOOOOoooOoOOoooOOOOhhhhhhhh!
If you want overated buy The Strokes, This Is It, what a load of crap a hooohly.
What are you on about? the man is/was fantastic, he was very proliferent and consequently a number of his ambums were holwers.
But common, Hotrats, Waka Jawaka, Burnt Weeny, Apostrophe to name but a few are excellent.
You can't say he is crap just because you heard one single album of 70 you didn't like
(gary sulks off to listen to some zappa)
Van Morrison, what are you on about? This man is fantastic, I can't think of anything off the top of my head which could be considered bad or over rated.
Get your self sorted out
(gary sulks off to listen to Van the Man)
You people make me Sick, Sick I tells ya OOOooooOOOOoooOoOOoooOOOOhhhhhhhh!
If you want overated buy The Strokes, This Is It, what a load of crap a hooohly.
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by woodface
Elvis - definately; Van Morrison - probably; Sting - without question; Phil Collins - Beyond debate. I Think all records by Van over the last 5 years have been poor - his latest single is truely awful!
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by greeny
Van Morrison - The Healing Game, a great recent album. I can't see many people hating Van but overrated? I can see the point, (but don't agree)
Radiohead - Most important band of last 10 years not overrated.
Zappa - "You can't say he is crap just because you heard one single album of 70 you didn't like". I agree but as said I have 2 very well respected albums and just think they are rubbish. Problem with Zappa is most fans are fanatics, it just doesn't work for some people though (me included)
Radiohead - Most important band of last 10 years not overrated.
Zappa - "You can't say he is crap just because you heard one single album of 70 you didn't like". I agree but as said I have 2 very well respected albums and just think they are rubbish. Problem with Zappa is most fans are fanatics, it just doesn't work for some people though (me included)
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by garyi
I am not a fanatic, but next time I see ya I will force you to listen till your ears bleed, (said with mouth dribbling and wild eyes)
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by JRHardee
A snoozer.
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Nigel Cavendish
... but in addition to the many above, any "flavour of the week new band (usually from the far North)" that one person on the forum buys and then twenty others buy never having heard, or heard of, them.
cheers
Nigel
p.s. Eva Cassidy (when you're dead you're great)
cheers
Nigel
p.s. Eva Cassidy (when you're dead you're great)
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by ejl
The Mozart and Shostakovich suggestions are obviously badly confused. If one is going to pick a classical composer, pick someone who came to enormous critical success not by forging new ground or pushing established forms to greater heights, but by rehashing in a "popular" form what had already been done. Rachmaninov comes to mind as fitting the bill quite nicely here. Apparently he was the best-selling classical composer of the 1990s, and I for one am rather tired of the endless critical accolades he received.
I'll leave Mozart's defense to others (not that he really needs it), but to David Hobbs-Mallyon, what makes Shostakovich overrated? The symphonies? I'd nominate the 14th as one of the most seriouslyneglected and underrated symphonies of the last century. Or were you thinking of the fourth? Or is it the quartets? ("Most overrated quartet of all time: Shostakovich's 13th! Everywhere you turn its being praised and played! Haven't we all had enough?") Or Lady Macbeth?
I mean come on man, you don't have to like the guy, but calling someone "most overrated" has to have some basis in a lack of talent, innovation, ability, and so forth.
Incidentally, if called upon to justify my claim that Rachmaninov is neither an innovative nor a very good composer, I believe I could do so. It would start with his version of "The Star Spangled Banner", and from there it would get ugly.
In the pop world, I think Michael Jackson is the most overrated of all time. Not because he's especially bad, but because he's not especially good, and the critical comparisons to Ray Charles, James Brown, the Beatles, etc. were all really very silly
I'll leave Mozart's defense to others (not that he really needs it), but to David Hobbs-Mallyon, what makes Shostakovich overrated? The symphonies? I'd nominate the 14th as one of the most seriouslyneglected and underrated symphonies of the last century. Or were you thinking of the fourth? Or is it the quartets? ("Most overrated quartet of all time: Shostakovich's 13th! Everywhere you turn its being praised and played! Haven't we all had enough?") Or Lady Macbeth?
I mean come on man, you don't have to like the guy, but calling someone "most overrated" has to have some basis in a lack of talent, innovation, ability, and so forth.
Incidentally, if called upon to justify my claim that Rachmaninov is neither an innovative nor a very good composer, I believe I could do so. It would start with his version of "The Star Spangled Banner", and from there it would get ugly.
In the pop world, I think Michael Jackson is the most overrated of all time. Not because he's especially bad, but because he's not especially good, and the critical comparisons to Ray Charles, James Brown, the Beatles, etc. were all really very silly
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
ejl,
On the basis of some of the hype he's had on this forum recently Shostakovich got my vote. Actually I think the 4th symphony is rather good. Never really liked the 5th - this idea of listening to what he wrote and then transposing what he meant never really appealed. I'm sure it's more my fault than his. Lets face it Berlioz didn't have a good word to say about Bach and Britten supposedly felt the same about Brahms, so surely I'm allowed to pick Shostakovich.
David
[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on MONDAY 29 April 2002 at 15:55.]
On the basis of some of the hype he's had on this forum recently Shostakovich got my vote. Actually I think the 4th symphony is rather good. Never really liked the 5th - this idea of listening to what he wrote and then transposing what he meant never really appealed. I'm sure it's more my fault than his. Lets face it Berlioz didn't have a good word to say about Bach and Britten supposedly felt the same about Brahms, so surely I'm allowed to pick Shostakovich.
David
[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on MONDAY 29 April 2002 at 15:55.]
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by garyi
Oh forgot to mention Goldie.
apart from timeless the rest I have heard is a bit cak.
Genesis, now I am a total prog rock man but I never understood this lot in any of their incarnations.
what about gary moore? Can't decide on him yet.
apart from timeless the rest I have heard is a bit cak.
Genesis, now I am a total prog rock man but I never understood this lot in any of their incarnations.
what about gary moore? Can't decide on him yet.
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by herm
This is Fun!
In the first place I'd say on the whole music is overrated. I mean, try to imagine what life was like when there were no ways to reproduce music as easily and constantly as we do. Everywhere you go you hear music. Life without music hardly exists.
Secondly I'd say rock / pop music is vastly overrated. Why? Well, I don't need it, and yet it's everywhere and virtually everybody thinks it provides the commentary to their lives.
Transversely, classical music is ludicrously overrated. In the recording industry it apparently makes about 2 or 3 % over the entire turnover, most of which is Charlotte Church and the Three Tenors. And yet David thinks Shostakovich is overrated, because classical music is so important to him that his grain of sand looks like a whole world. And I agree: it is a whole world.
So that's why I say Beethoven is completely overrated. He's supposed to be one the utter great, and yet confess: how often do you listen to an entire Beethoven symphony, not to mention the Missa Solemnis (one of the ten great works of art ever, as Vuk hilariously pronounced recently)?
Herman
In the first place I'd say on the whole music is overrated. I mean, try to imagine what life was like when there were no ways to reproduce music as easily and constantly as we do. Everywhere you go you hear music. Life without music hardly exists.
Secondly I'd say rock / pop music is vastly overrated. Why? Well, I don't need it, and yet it's everywhere and virtually everybody thinks it provides the commentary to their lives.
Transversely, classical music is ludicrously overrated. In the recording industry it apparently makes about 2 or 3 % over the entire turnover, most of which is Charlotte Church and the Three Tenors. And yet David thinks Shostakovich is overrated, because classical music is so important to him that his grain of sand looks like a whole world. And I agree: it is a whole world.
So that's why I say Beethoven is completely overrated. He's supposed to be one the utter great, and yet confess: how often do you listen to an entire Beethoven symphony, not to mention the Missa Solemnis (one of the ten great works of art ever, as Vuk hilariously pronounced recently)?
Herman
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
..just to add to my previous list, Ralph Vaughan Williams was not very fond of Beethoven, so you are in good company herm.
David
David
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by woodface
Dizzy Gillespie? The Vuk/TC feud continues, is it all down to angle iron?
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Top Cat
It's not down to angle iron. It's down to the fact that Vuk clearly has a big case of penis envy 
Or should that be a little case...???
Thing about Vuk is, he's a legend in his own head and if you don't match his warped ideology, he'll try to make you look bad and it always backfires on him.
I used to know people like him at school. They had no friends, and usually had a bad smell. They were usually as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, and generally less pleasant.
Vuk, once again is there no beginning to your talents?
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Or should that be a little case...???
Thing about Vuk is, he's a legend in his own head and if you don't match his warped ideology, he'll try to make you look bad and it always backfires on him.
I used to know people like him at school. They had no friends, and usually had a bad smell. They were usually as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, and generally less pleasant.
Vuk, once again is there no beginning to your talents?
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Posted on: 29 April 2002 by Top Cat
Can I add Vuk to that list? I think his vitriolic ineptitude is getting boring, and he seems to have nothing of worth to contribute.
FWIW, I added Mozart to that list as whilst I find his work pleasant and intelligent, the Mozart-Mania that I had to put up with when I played orchestral stuff seemed to be out of kilter with my own tastes. This is, after all, a personal opinion (even if Vuk isn't intelligent enough to realise it - no amount of education can turn the mental equivalent of the proverbial mutton into intellectual lamb. Apologies for the sheep metaphor).
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
FWIW, I added Mozart to that list as whilst I find his work pleasant and intelligent, the Mozart-Mania that I had to put up with when I played orchestral stuff seemed to be out of kilter with my own tastes. This is, after all, a personal opinion (even if Vuk isn't intelligent enough to realise it - no amount of education can turn the mental equivalent of the proverbial mutton into intellectual lamb. Apologies for the sheep metaphor).
TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."