Most over rated ever?

Re the Smiths you are quite correct, but re LD if he influenced Lennon to start a band surely that is fair amount of influence. Would the Beatles exist without the Quarymen?

Dave Matthews
Jane's Addiction
Simply Red
Kitaro (the only concert I've ever left before it was over)

And whoever said Bill Laswell; you're nuts. Most people don't know who he is, which should be a criteria.

Ron The Mon,
Arch Kan defender and wall driller.

I would definately go with that suggestion; I also think they take themselves too seriously!

My top 5 "Can't see the point of you releasing any more albums"

1. Bob Bylan
2. Van Morrison
3 The Rolling Stones
4. Frank Zappa (even if dead)
5. Genesis

Listening to Sinead O'Connor while I type this - so she is definetely not on the list. Here goes:

Carlos Santana (I really don't get it)
Sting (A few good songs)
Macy Gray (one good song)

A to stick a plug in for one of Ireland's lost talents - definetely not over-rated - Something Happens

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The Corrs ZZZZZZZZZ Snorezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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It's difficult to fall alseep with your eyes wide open

Jay

Vuk

it's great to see you back here, and on form, to boot.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Was it not fair to say that U2 are just coming out of a period where they said 'fuck you' to their record label who had asked them to make more 'popular' music.

Which they duely did with all this stadium tours and god awful music which apparently they knew full well about but did it any way to piss said record label off.

What they didn't account for was that the americans will listen to any old shit and they became even more popular.

Mind you thats no excuse for the video Rattle & Hum which is so Anal I think they turned themselves inside out.

And The Flat can't play guitar. To say that he has excellent timing with his strumming is like shoting fish in a barrel.

So yes I have just defeated my own argument, U2 are over rated, I will get my coat.

"...Rather than stick to the (correct) gut reaction of it being a pile of pretentious, boring shite and suffer the potential humiliation of being un-cool, you convince yourself that Costello's incompetence is actually some sort of impenetrable artistic complexity.."

Nah, i just think it's shite!

I used to really like Elvis C but now his voice drives me nuts! Up there with Dylan in the drone department.

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To those of you who happened to watch the classic "Larry Sanders Show" episode and are intelligent enough to understand what I've just written,

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Well that disposes of 99% of the population and the other 1% would not waste their time on either.

cheers

Nigel

miles davis and mozart.

the former could not play the trumpet, the latter was only composing nice background music. any objections???

What important music did he compose apart from "Also sprach Zarathustra" that rightly ended as the music for a beer commercial?

And please... Kajagogoo!!! nice hairdos. that's it. and who the ... is john dankworth anyway?

Chaps

Herewith my nominations for the most vile and awful singers ever.

1. The Sex Pistols......this drugged up bunch of yobbos made a racket which was only appreciated by a load of doped up dipsticks.

2. Joan Baez.....self pretentious and weak voiced. Sang one thing and did the opposite in her own life...the first champagne socialist.

3. Tracey Chapman.....useless. Talked a tune.

4. Eva Cassidy.....a nothing voice.....died at the right time and made the music industry a fortune.

5. Cliff Richards......do I really need to explain.

6. Robert Plant....why? he is bloody useless and yet he loves himself.

7. Russel Watson.......2nd rate

8. Jerry Lee Lewis......I just give up when I hear his racket.

9. Bob Dylan arrogant and sings like a dying diesel engine.

10. Pete Seager....nothing special, I have heard better in the local pub.

Thats my top ten of over rated has beens.

Regards

Mick
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Originally posted by Thorsten:
miles davis and mozart.

the former could not play the trumpet, the latter was only composing nice background music. any objections???

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I object.

hi fred,

me too. it only stroke me funny how long it took that someone objected. :-)

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What important music did he compose apart from "Also sprach Zarathustra?"
Richard Strauss gave us nothing of import....

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I take it neither of you guys go to the opera much (or at all) - Electra, Salome, Die Frau Ohne Schatten, Der Rosenkavalier - just some examples of why Strauss is not overrated. As for other works such as Four Last Songs, Metamorphosen, Don Quixote, Death and Transfiguration etc, etc. Yes you can criticise Strauss - the fact that his music is not necessarily always the most profound is well documented. However, there are plenty of top rate works that the world would be a lot poorer without.

hi career zombie,

i got the satire alright. nothing's been lost in the cultural translation. i only think that the whole thread throws a somewhat, hmm, strange light upon us.

it seems to be consensus that it is fashionable to dislike whats successful and like what's hardly known outside a group of insiders. maybe not everybody thinks so, but i think quite a few of us have this attitude. i cannot agree.

don't get me wrong: take for instance phil collins. i do not believe that his music will be one of the stepstones of musical history. at the same time i wonder why so many find it hard to accept that he, and most of his musicians, are excellent performers who know very well how to play. wherever his place in history will be (let time judge) quite a few seem to dismiss craftmanship of a musician when he or she turns out to be too successful.

call me naive - i happen to respect the achievements of most of the artists or composers that are on the scene for a long time and have been damned in this forum once or twice. bruce springsteen for his energy, beatles for their wit. mozart for his speed and accuracy of composing, miles davis for his ability to make musicians play better stuff than they ever thought they were able to do. the list goes on and on.

all this is written on the assumption that the definition of overrated is something like this:
that a musician did not have that strong an influence on other musicians than is generally thought.

if overrated is translated with "sold too much copies for the music he plays, others deserved wider recognition" that's a completely different matter.

after reading this thread i got the feeling that hardly any musician matches the demands of the forum. which is a shame.

it did not work. you are absolutely right about strauss. i think he is not over rated. i tried my best at satire, too. it might work in my mothertongue, but obviously not always in english. sorry.

however, i simply do not like strauss that much for several reasons but am perfectly willing to acknowledge his importance in musical history.
and you are right, i am not such a big fan of operas. most of the people and their attitude puts me off. and i am no big fan of "koloraturen" either. it is supposed to be about emotions but most of the times arias do not tickle me. i prefer "lieder" which i feel to be more "honest" and "authentic" in terms of emotions. just imo.

hey, now we are about it.

over rated:
opera in general!!!

I mean....really, apart from creating probably the best album of all time what did he do for us? To the person who questioned Davis's prowess on the trumpet you are missing the point to a ridiculous degree. Sure there were better players (Louis Armsrtong, Dizzy Gillespie) in a technical sense but he was so much more than just a trumpet player.

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Originally posted by Thorsten:
over rated:
opera in general!!!

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What's all this I hear about Oprah being over rated? I think she's great; I watch her show every day and I read her magazine ... what? You said opera, not Oprah? Oh ... that's entirely different. Never mind.

Miss Emily Litella

hi woodface,

i always thought miles played with his back to the audience because he had such a bad sound and technique and knew about it! :-)) just joking of course. as i mentioned before in earlier posts: my attempt at satire might not work perfect in a another language my mother tongue.

hi fred,

sorry, but there are no oprah-houses in germany. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Thorsten,

Actually, most opera is not really my cup of tea, either. I think it's the singing.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Chaps

Herewith my nominations for the most vile and awful singers ever ...

4. Eva Cassidy.....a nothing voice.....died at the right time and made the music industry a fortune

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I was trying not to respond, but like a crow who sees something shiny ...

Eva Cassidy ... dig her or not, but "vile and awful"? Really that horrible? And Celine Dion is nowhere on your list?

For me, Eva singing Paul Simon's "Kathy's Song" is sublime, and her gospel shout on "Golden Thread" gives me chicken skin every time without fail. So, OK, she's not your cup of tea, but "vile"? And if she has a "nothing" voice, who, in your less than humble opinion, has a "something" voice?

Also, it may have seemed clever at the time to write the words "died at the right time," but given her horribly painful yet stoic death from ovarian cancer at a young 33, please tell me you feel at least some regret for having dismissed another human so cavalierly, someone who, like you, we assume, had family and friends who loved her and miss her terribly. Pretty damn harsh.