Most over rated ever?
Posted by: woodface on 29 April 2002
Which artist or band do you consider the most over rated? I can think of a couple; Mercury Rev (how did they ever get a deal?) and I better not mention the other by name, but you can probably guess through my previous posts!
Posted on: 18 June 2002 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Herewith my nominations for the most vile and awful singers ever ...
10. Pete Seager....nothing special, I have heard better in the local pub.
You may not care for Pete Seeger's voice ... fine. But tell me who at your local pub has had the galvanizing social and political influence on modern culture that Pete Seeger has? "We Shall Overcome," "Where Have All the Flowers Gone," "This Land Is Your Land," "Turn, Turn, Turn," "Waist Deep In the Big Muddy," "Ain't Gonna Study War No More," "If I Had a Hammer," and so many others ... whether he wrote them or popularized them, sentient progressive minds and struggling peoples all over the world have greatly benefited from Pete Seeger's enormous contribution to folk music as well as to political and social activism, a contribution which, again, you have dismissed so cavalierly.
Posted on: 18 June 2002 by Keith Mattox
Pete Seeger - skip the importance on the musical landscape, Mick's just plain wrong, as Pete has probably the most resonant and wonderfully sonorous voice of any folk singer out there, even beating out Utah Philips.
As for what you said regarding Eva Cassidy, amen brother. Apparently listening to Sarah Brightman causes a deformity of some kind.
Cheers
Keith.
As for what you said regarding Eva Cassidy, amen brother. Apparently listening to Sarah Brightman causes a deformity of some kind.
Cheers
Keith.
Posted on: 23 June 2002 by Mick P
Chaps
Fred..said "Eva Cassidy ... dig her or not, but "vile and awful"? Really that horrible? And Celine Dion is nowhere on your list?
Fred I could put dozens more on the list but the reality is that Eva Cassidy's voice is nothing special.
Swindon was until a few weeks ago, the main CD pressing plant for EMI in the UK. Now it has all transferred to Holland. However, without wishing to appear cynical, I know a few senior guys who worked at that plant and the death of a singer did wonders for sales. A friend nearly cleared his mortgage when Freddie Mercury died in 1991 because of booming sales of Inunendo. At the end of the day, business is business and most of her CD's were sold after her death, not whilst she was alive.
As regards to Pete Seager.....his voice is dull and I still find it amazing that someone was daft enough to spend 6/8d (£0.34) on a record
back in the sixties to listen to a load of tosh about little boxes on the hillside etc. It was pure drivel fit only for kindergarten.
Regards
Mick
Fred..said "Eva Cassidy ... dig her or not, but "vile and awful"? Really that horrible? And Celine Dion is nowhere on your list?
Fred I could put dozens more on the list but the reality is that Eva Cassidy's voice is nothing special.
Swindon was until a few weeks ago, the main CD pressing plant for EMI in the UK. Now it has all transferred to Holland. However, without wishing to appear cynical, I know a few senior guys who worked at that plant and the death of a singer did wonders for sales. A friend nearly cleared his mortgage when Freddie Mercury died in 1991 because of booming sales of Inunendo. At the end of the day, business is business and most of her CD's were sold after her death, not whilst she was alive.
As regards to Pete Seager.....his voice is dull and I still find it amazing that someone was daft enough to spend 6/8d (£0.34) on a record
back in the sixties to listen to a load of tosh about little boxes on the hillside etc. It was pure drivel fit only for kindergarten.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 23 June 2002 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Fred I could put dozens more on the list but the reality is that Eva Cassidy's voice is nothing special.
It may be your reality, but it is certainly not "Reality" for everyone.
quote:
As regards to Pete Seager.....his voice is dull and I still find it amazing that someone was daft enough to spend 6/8d (£0.34) on a record
back in the sixties to listen to a load of tosh about little boxes on the hillside etc. It was pure drivel fit only for kindergarten.
Regards
Mick
So I guess you're saying I'm daft and listening to drivel?
If you consider Malvina Reynolds' song about conformity and the death if individualism (Little Boxes) "tosh" and "drivel" then perhaps its significance escapes you.
(By the way, it's spelled "Seeger.")
Posted on: 23 June 2002 by Mick P
Fred
You said...."(By the way, it's spelled "Seeger.")
I say....." By the way you should say spelt not spelled......sorry couldn't resist.
You now seem to grasp my point that the message was so childishly basic that it was only fit for kindergarten......anyway I bet Seeger lives in a really big box.
Regards
Mick
You said...."(By the way, it's spelled "Seeger.")
I say....." By the way you should say spelt not spelled......sorry couldn't resist.
You now seem to grasp my point that the message was so childishly basic that it was only fit for kindergarten......anyway I bet Seeger lives in a really big box.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 24 June 2002 by herm
... provided there'd be discussions about Pete Seeger's vocal merits in Restoration comedies.
Herman
PS I'm not saying it isn't an excellent subject for comedy...
Herman
PS I'm not saying it isn't an excellent subject for comedy...
Posted on: 24 June 2002 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Fred
You said...."(By the way, it's spelled "Seeger.")
I say....." By the way you should say spelt not spelled......sorry couldn't resist.
You now seem to grasp my point that the message was so childishly basic that it was only fit for kindergarten......anyway I bet Seeger lives in a really big box.
Regards
Mick
The British use "spelt," Americans use "spelled." Both are correct.
Many of the most important ideas have a childlike simplicity (The Golden Rule, etc.) So what? Does that make them unworthy of our attention? More importantly, isn't it crucial for folks like Seeger to keep singing about these precepts as long as so many humans, long past kindergarten, still don't live by them? I think so.
By the way, Seeger lives very frugally and always has. He's the real deal. I really don't care whether you like his voice, his music, whatever ... please stop trying to paint him in a cynical light, it doesn't work.
Posted on: 24 June 2002 by Mick P
Fred
All I am saying is that in my opinion, Seeger's voice is bog standard and his songs are drivel.
I just cannot understand why people buy his stuff, it is nothing special and you can hear better in any local folk club.
The same applies tp Joan Baez who does live in a big box.
Regards
Mick
All I am saying is that in my opinion, Seeger's voice is bog standard and his songs are drivel.
I just cannot understand why people buy his stuff, it is nothing special and you can hear better in any local folk club.
The same applies tp Joan Baez who does live in a big box.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 24 June 2002 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I just cannot understand why people buy [Seeger's] stuff, it is nothing special and you can hear better in any local folk club.
The supreme irony being that anyone really good in the local folk club acknowledges Seeger's greatness.
Posted on: 04 July 2002 by rch
michael jackson
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by Keith Mattox
You left out Beethoven, The Beatles and Louie Armstrong 
Cheers
Keith.
Cheers
Keith.
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by JeremyD
Only one item [J M Jarre] from Alex Simon's list features in my collection. Is this a record?
JD
JD
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by Chris Dolan
Jeremy - sorry but I couldn't resist
I don't know....is it a cd?
Actually unless I'm missing the point I think it is a bit sad that you only have only one "album" from Alex Simon's list of artists (and without commenting on the one you mention).
Chris
quote:
Is this a record?
I don't know....is it a cd?
Actually unless I'm missing the point I think it is a bit sad that you only have only one "album" from Alex Simon's list of artists (and without commenting on the one you mention).
Chris
Posted on: 13 July 2002 by rch
Hey Alex,
Why didn't you simply confess the music YOU like is operetta & ballet?
Cheers
Christian
Why didn't you simply confess the music YOU like is operetta & ballet?
Cheers
Christian
Posted on: 13 July 2002 by JeremyD
Chris: I think the point was to make a point without really making a point, and I must admit there wasn't much point in this...
What's more shocking than the absence of any of these but Jarre from my collection [on LP, btw] is that, to the best of my knowledge, I have never heard:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
The Strokes
The Verve
Keith Jarrett
Jan Garberek
Pat Matheney
Stereophonics
Harry Conick Jnr
Anything to do with P.Diddy
The names Keith Jarrett, Jan Garberek and
Pat Matheney are very well known to me but their music is not. I've almost certainly heard some of the others without knowing who they were.
Of the remainder, the only ones with much chance of getting into my collection are:
REM
Ry Cooder
Seal
The Beach Boys
Modern R&B - there must be some I like
Shocking, eh?
JD
What's more shocking than the absence of any of these but Jarre from my collection [on LP, btw] is that, to the best of my knowledge, I have never heard:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
The Strokes
The Verve
Keith Jarrett
Jan Garberek
Pat Matheney
Stereophonics
Harry Conick Jnr
Anything to do with P.Diddy
The names Keith Jarrett, Jan Garberek and
Pat Matheney are very well known to me but their music is not. I've almost certainly heard some of the others without knowing who they were.
Of the remainder, the only ones with much chance of getting into my collection are:
REM
Ry Cooder
Seal
The Beach Boys
Modern R&B - there must be some I like
Shocking, eh?
JD
Posted on: 14 July 2002 by rch
You SHOULD get known at least Keith Jarrett and Pat Metheny before you disqualify them. Otherwise you'll rather disqualify yourself.
Both are masters on their instruments IMO!
Christian
Both are masters on their instruments IMO!
Christian
Posted on: 14 July 2002 by JeremyD
Christian: You SHOULD get known at least Keith Jarrett and Pat Metheny before you disqualify them. Otherwise you'll rather disqualify yourself.
So, essentially, you are saying that if I listen to KJ and PM but fail to disqualify them then I'll disqualify myself?
JD
So, essentially, you are saying that if I listen to KJ and PM but fail to disqualify them then I'll disqualify myself?
JD
Posted on: 14 July 2002 by rch
Anyway: I SHOULD presume that my English is much poorer than yours...
Posted on: 14 July 2002 by JeremyD
Christian: I was simply pointing out in what was intended to be an amusing way that you appeared to have misread my post [since your English seems excellent] by assuming that I had disqualified KJ and PM. Perhaps something idiomatic was lost somewhere, and the post I replied to was intended to be amusing?
Anyway, I'm sorry if you were offended - it's just that I would have been offended had I not thought that you had misread my post, since it did not occur to me that it might have been intended to be amusing.
JD
Anyway, I'm sorry if you were offended - it's just that I would have been offended had I not thought that you had misread my post, since it did not occur to me that it might have been intended to be amusing.
JD
Posted on: 15 July 2002 by rch
Jeremy,
I'm fine, thank you!
Christian
I'm fine, thank you!
Christian
Posted on: 23 July 2002 by Ron The Mon
Dave Matthews
Ron The Mon,
Needle-Freak
Ron The Mon,
Needle-Freak
Posted on: 24 July 2002 by Chris Metcalfe
Fred writ: "The supreme irony being that anyone really good in the local folk club acknowledges Seeger's greatness."
Actually a bigger irony in the context is that 'Little boxes on the hillside' exactly describes the over-developed town of Swindon in which both Mick and I are doomed (for the moment) to live.
I always (and I was a huge Beatles/Beach Boys/Stones fan in the mid-60s) thought Pete Seeger's songs were rather good, nicely subtle and deliberately designed to irritate precisely the people they were designed to irritate - if you see what I mean.
The only problem was that so many of them were filtered through Peter, Paul and Mary - now they really were a bit feeble.
Alex Simon - that's my record collection you've got there!
Actually a bigger irony in the context is that 'Little boxes on the hillside' exactly describes the over-developed town of Swindon in which both Mick and I are doomed (for the moment) to live.
I always (and I was a huge Beatles/Beach Boys/Stones fan in the mid-60s) thought Pete Seeger's songs were rather good, nicely subtle and deliberately designed to irritate precisely the people they were designed to irritate - if you see what I mean.
The only problem was that so many of them were filtered through Peter, Paul and Mary - now they really were a bit feeble.
Alex Simon - that's my record collection you've got there!