Hutter Stacks ?
Posted by: Peter Stockwell on 29 January 2004
How high could I go ? I'd like two three unit stacks, but I don't think E would go for the 1m20 width that takes. I need a minimum of 5 shelves, 6 would be better.
Or is anyone using the 0m95 width Hutter ? In which case I think it would pass and I could use a three unit Stack.
Peter
Or is anyone using the 0m95 width Hutter ? In which case I think it would pass and I could use a three unit Stack.
Peter
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Lees:
This is six shelves, width-and-a-half, with extra height on the bottom shelf. Crap photo. Might look very high, but the top shelf is only waist-high.
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That looks nice, I told E that I wanted two 60cm wide stacks, but that width and half looks quite fetching in slinky back (do you like high heels too
). Tha advantage of width and a half is lower cost compared with 2 full width stacks of the same height, but with essentially the same storage capacity. Thanks, I'll be off to the dealer, nearest one about 20 klicks from here when I've got a bit more dosh stashed away. But E accepted the two full width stacks without so much as a sigh, so this plan looks like it's on track!
Peter
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by andy c
Hi Nick,
What made you buy the hutter (If you don't mind me asking)?
What did you have before, and what differances, if any, did you notice?
Reason I ask is (and I don't want to turn this into a M**a v F***m debate) I am bringing my sights to bear on a rack upgrade as I'm running out of space myself...
Any help appreciated...
andy c!
What made you buy the hutter (If you don't mind me asking)?
What did you have before, and what differances, if any, did you notice?
Reason I ask is (and I don't want to turn this into a M**a v F***m debate) I am bringing my sights to bear on a rack upgrade as I'm running out of space myself...
Any help appreciated...
andy c!
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by Dobbin
Ok here we go....I'll come out!
My name's dobbin and I use mana. But to be quite honest after upgrading to the new Naim stuff and adding a phono stage I've really run out of space.
So I'm going to look at Hutter.
To those who have used it (any maybe switched from mana) how stable is it?? How easy is it to level?? Who stocks it near/in Surrey??
My name's dobbin and I use mana. But to be quite honest after upgrading to the new Naim stuff and adding a phono stage I've really run out of space.
So I'm going to look at Hutter.
To those who have used it (any maybe switched from mana) how stable is it?? How easy is it to level?? Who stocks it near/in Surrey??
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by Dev B
quote:
Originally posted by Dobbin:
Ok here we go....I'll come out!
My name's dobbin and I use mana. But to be quite honest after upgrading to the new Naim stuff and adding a phono stage I've really run out of space.
So I'm going to look at Hutter.
To those who have used it (any maybe switched from mana) how stable is it?? How easy is it to level?? Who stocks it near/in Surrey??
I moved from Mana to Hutter and then to Fraim. I think the Hutter is not as easy to set up as the Mana and it is not easy to level a NAim CD player on it. However, the sound is of a similar standard (i.e it is a high performing stand) but the Hutter has a more even sound to the Mana, and doesn't truncate the mid-bass to the same extent.
I then moved to the Fraim and did a A/B test of Mana vs Hutter vs Fraim - the Fraim is the best of the lot by quite a margin. I would suggest that if you are able to do buy a simple Fraim stack for your CD player, TT and Preamp and get some cheap shelving for the amps and powersupplies - you should get excellent results that way and it will be cheaper.
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by Alex S.
My phase 11 Hutter is 3m high and a lot more stable than a certain Mana rack recently featured elsewhere.
Posted on: 30 January 2004 by Alex S.
Paul, Tom took some choice photos of mine. Sadly, the last in the series showed firemen raking over the ashes. Please let's not revisit the other leaning tower.
Posted on: 20 February 2004 by Peter Stockwell
Okay, I'm going to order the Hutter. Probably next month. I haven't been to the shop yet coz it's too far away to stop in casually.
I'm still not sure how to configure it. I can have either two stacks, comprised of one hifi base + two basic shelves (height 189mm per shelf), or two stacks of different height, hifi base + two shelves and hifi base + three shelves. My turntable, with it's cover is at least 25cm high, so It'll be on the lower stack with the CDX on the higher stack, visually should be OK. Alternatively, I can get the width and a half, in hifi base + 3 shelves.
The dealer recommends going with a single 6 or 7 tier stack, which I think is too high, well I guess it's not aproblem of stability, but I want a compact visual result.
Finally, the question, Does Hutter effectively attenuate the transfer of vibration from one piece of kit to another if the two are on the same shelf ?
Peter
I'm still not sure how to configure it. I can have either two stacks, comprised of one hifi base + two basic shelves (height 189mm per shelf), or two stacks of different height, hifi base + two shelves and hifi base + three shelves. My turntable, with it's cover is at least 25cm high, so It'll be on the lower stack with the CDX on the higher stack, visually should be OK. Alternatively, I can get the width and a half, in hifi base + 3 shelves.
The dealer recommends going with a single 6 or 7 tier stack, which I think is too high, well I guess it's not aproblem of stability, but I want a compact visual result.
Finally, the question, Does Hutter effectively attenuate the transfer of vibration from one piece of kit to another if the two are on the same shelf ?
Peter
Posted on: 20 February 2004 by greeny
Alex
Surely things have gone too far when you've got to get a ladder out to change a record!!!
Surely things have gone too far when you've got to get a ladder out to change a record!!!
Posted on: 20 February 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Lees:
Peter,
I'd be tempted, space allowing, to go for two separate racks. It'll help when you upgrade to separate power supplies for your kit.
That's about what I intuited (can I write that ?). Although, err, I bought the nait to avoid a profusion of Power Supplies! Wouldn't it be great if Naim could make 55i (500 series integrated), it would make the Fraim affordable for everybody! I have 7 boxes in my system, including the Turntable.
Peter
Posted on: 28 February 2004 by Peter Stockwell
I ordered the single width stack, Hifi Base + 4 shelves, in light cherry. I can get by with that to start with. Then, I can either go up, or sideways. Prices in France for those that might want to know, c. 235€ for a hifi base and c. 210€ for a basic shelf.
Delivery in 2-6 weeks!
Peter
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Delivery in 2-6 weeks!
Peter
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Posted on: 28 February 2004 by Peter Stockwell
is that one in the pearwood(?) finish ?
Peter
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Posted on: 29 February 2004 by Mick P
The last pic is Cherry, the same as mine. It does darken significantly with age.
From a visual point of view, I think Hutter is good and it really is a fit and forget scenario.
Only word of advice, take your time when you level the base, make sure it is spot on.
Regards
Mick
From a visual point of view, I think Hutter is good and it really is a fit and forget scenario.
Only word of advice, take your time when you level the base, make sure it is spot on.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 29 February 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
The last pic is Cherry, the same as mine. It does darken significantly with age.
...
Only word of advice, take your time when you level the base, make sure it is spot on.
The sample I saw at the shop, was about the same colour as my Bastin Plinth, should look rather neat when it's all, er, stacked up!
Peter
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Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Peter Stockwell
I installed the new Hutter stack this weekend. I expected more, compared with the Ash Stand that it replaced, but it is providing a better home for the Garrard 401. The Arm/Cartridge combo is tracking better. I can also level the stand more easily.
I have the Hifi base installed with the rubber footers, but no locknuts. Do I need the Locknuts. I'll get on to my dealer today about the missing lock nuts.
I'm getting a calmer presentation compared with the Ash, but not by a huge margin. My Ash stand had some special spikes marked by RMS (AVondale) that did a great job of evacuating energy from the stand. But I can't use these with the Hutter because the spikes look like 9 or 10 mm threads ?
Peter
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I have the Hifi base installed with the rubber footers, but no locknuts. Do I need the Locknuts. I'll get on to my dealer today about the missing lock nuts.
I'm getting a calmer presentation compared with the Ash, but not by a huge margin. My Ash stand had some special spikes marked by RMS (AVondale) that did a great job of evacuating energy from the stand. But I can't use these with the Hutter because the spikes look like 9 or 10 mm threads ?
Peter
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Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Alex S.
Peter, what the Hutter lacks with initial 'wow' factor it seems to amply compensate with long term enjoyment. I've been happy with Hutter for about 2 years which, for me, is a stand record. Don't ever be tempted, as I foolishly was, to do anything other than place equipment directly onto the rack.
Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Alex S.:
Peter, what the Hutter lacks with initial 'wow' factor it seems to amply compensate with long term enjoyment.
I was expecting to be gobsmacked, but I do feel that it's true to the recording. That is, if the recording is bad it presents that evenly and if it's great then that too is evenly presented there's nothing spectacular about the presentation, nor is there anything frequency band that appears to stand out.
Peter
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Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Alves:
In my experience having any box on the bottom shelf constrains the music something awful so might want to move your power amp? up one.
Scromphh! I have two power supplies on the hifi base, I had my hydra box on there too. For experimentation I can put the power supplies on the hardwood floor and see what happens.
Peter
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Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Lees:
Deaf infidel here.
...
If I read your post right, then the thing is sitting on rubber feet? It should be spikes. Nasty pointy things...
P.S. Love the word: Scromphh!
Scromphh is some onamatapia from a french carton strip, I had a work mate that would say that when confused. 'scrognogneu' is another.
I didn't order extra spikes, I just took the Hutter as standard, with the floor protecting rubber tipped footers on the MDF portion of the base. What I'm hearing is consistant with a bit too much compliance in the system. But are the spikes 8mm jobbies ? I think not.
So it should be spikes on the the MDF board and then spikes on the next board up ?
Peter
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Posted on: 14 April 2004 by Peter Stockwell
I'm getting a set of spikes and the extra nuts from the dealer, asap, they're supposed to mail them to me. The dealer is not that far away, but quite a bit out of my way (2h round trip).
I really like what I'm hearing in the midrange and up. More natural prsentation of note emphasis; i.e. vocal inflections or the way a guitarist will play a lick is sweetly presented and you can hear it if you want to, it's not thrust in your face. But bass and drums are mushy and somewhat indistinct, this is comparable with the vibrapod/sorbothane effect. I know that I don't have a mega butt kicking aamp, but I know that the nait is capable of more than honest drum hits!
Peter
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I really like what I'm hearing in the midrange and up. More natural prsentation of note emphasis; i.e. vocal inflections or the way a guitarist will play a lick is sweetly presented and you can hear it if you want to, it's not thrust in your face. But bass and drums are mushy and somewhat indistinct, this is comparable with the vibrapod/sorbothane effect. I know that I don't have a mega butt kicking aamp, but I know that the nait is capable of more than honest drum hits!
Peter
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Posted on: 05 May 2004 by Peter Stockwell
Ok, now everything is ok. I got the extra spikes for the HiFi base and the locknuts. I also got a replacement set of 50mm spaces to replace one set of 89mm spacers. Now everything is as I anticpated. More weight, poise and coherance. More believeable, really stunning with voices.
Peter
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Posted on: 05 May 2004 by Steve Toy
Good stuff Peter.
Yours must now be the most flat earth system going.
Regards,
Steve.
Yours must now be the most flat earth system going.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 05 May 2004 by Peter Stockwell
Steve,
Most flat earth ? dunno! it sounds right though, I actually think I'm getting all of it RE + FE, but ahh can' get dem tings mon. No tings when I listen to Roy's Elvis test. So there's still a way to go. I've got a decent mains set up, but I'm still not statisfied with the cables, it's the next item on the agenda.
Peter
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Most flat earth ? dunno! it sounds right though, I actually think I'm getting all of it RE + FE, but ahh can' get dem tings mon. No tings when I listen to Roy's Elvis test. So there's still a way to go. I've got a decent mains set up, but I'm still not statisfied with the cables, it's the next item on the agenda.
Peter
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Posted on: 07 May 2004 by andrew mcmullins
Quick question ...
Width and half is wide enough to take 2 full width boxes side by side I take it?
If so how much is width and half so the base and shelves?
Racking is my next change as I have run out of space.
Width and half is wide enough to take 2 full width boxes side by side I take it?
If so how much is width and half so the base and shelves?
Racking is my next change as I have run out of space.
Posted on: 07 May 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Lees:Pete,
Don't fret too much. I've never heard the tings and I've been in the presence of the great and the good (and the ugly) with a few systems (including mine) when they've heard them. My only conclusion is that (as Tom has averred in the past) that I'm actually deaf as a post and that my views on Hi-Fi don't count. Even a little bit.
nick.lees at btinternet.com
I'm really pleased with the system now, and I wonder, sometimes, if it's worth upgrading further. I have, as I see it, some set up issues to resolve. Firstly, in the areas of mains cabling. Naim standard mains cables are not the best I've heard in my system, the honour goes to Campaign Audio design, but I haven't got around to a full CAD rig. I'm also seriously wondering if I need some lighter weight stands for the speakers.
Peter
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Posted on: 07 May 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by andrew mcmullins:
Quick question ...
If so how much is width and half so the base and shelves?
Racking is my next change as I have run out of space.
do you mean width ? the width and a half is 945mm, which is just about wide enough for two 450mm (standard) boxes. I'm manageing with four shelves (60cm) + the hifi base at the moment, might get another shelf to get the power supplies of the hifi base.
Peter
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