Verdi - Don Carlos

Posted by: Tam on 24 February 2006

I've been mulling this thread over for a few weeks now, and since I've just picked up and listened to a new recording, now would seem to be the perfect time.

I came to Don Carlos fairly late, my prejudices against Italian opera having been coloured by the fact that one of the first operas that I ever saw was an awful production of Puccini's Mamon Lescaut (and for some bizarre reason the two names became caught up in the back of my mind). In fact, I met Don Carlos for the first time only a little under a year ago when I inherited a copy of the classic Giulini/Domingo recording. Well, I listened to it and was duly impressed, but, like with many, if not most operas (on which I have another thread brewing in the back of my mind) I didn't really fall in love with it as a work until I saw it live in the form of WNO's outstanding recent production. Now, here is the key: Giulini is in Italian, WNO were in French. What's more, WNO were using a much more 'complete' score, including stuff Verdi cut even before the premier (which include a much extended opening scene and a lot more stuff at the start of act III and elsewhere). Sadly, there seem to only exist two recordings in French: Pappano in Paris and Abbado in La Scala (with Domingo). To make matters tougher, Pappano doesn't include the extended opening that I had enjoyed so much in the Welsh production. So, by default, I decided to try Abbado.

So, what of it. Well, despite being very complete, the set does feel rather like it was put together by idiots. Much of the extra material is stuck in an appendix at the end of the 4th cd making it impossible, say, to programme in the extended opening scene except by means of changing discs - one wonders what the point of including such appendixes is if one cannot put them properly into the opera. Well, one can (and I did), but only by copying all the material onto one's computer and then reordering and burning it onto CD again. There are several hours of my weekend gone Roll Eyes

So, how is it. Well, the singing is pretty fine, though, perhaps inevitably, it does still sound a little Italian (but then we are in Italy with an Italian lead, so that might be expected). Also, there are some very odd variations in sound level which, given we're in an 80s studio recording, really shouldn't be abounding. Abbado's conducting doesn't seem to flow quite so freely as Giulini's and, if push came to shove, I don't think I'd have terribly much difficulty opting for the latter.

Of course, both the Gramophone and the Penguin guide accord higher status to the Pappano so perhaps I should have gone for that instead, but I did so want the scenes I'd seen at WNO. My question, therefore, is does anyone have the Pappano recording (or, indeed, the DVD) and what do they think about it? I'm not planning on getting another Don Carlos any time soon, but I think I wouldn't mind a more satisfying French one that Abbado offers. It seems a shame to me that this version hasn't been recorded more, and I suppose it probably won't be now, given the way the CD recording industry is going.... then again, we can always hope for something on DVD.....

regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 February 2006 by Wolf
Hi, I've only heard Don Carlos once and don't remember the conductor, probably a Met broadcast, so I'm not an expert. BUT Giulini condecuted here in LA for a number of years in the 80's and I have friends that think he's of near god status. He didn't have a great range of scores to pull from, but my one friend who was a professional bassonist said he'd walk out slowly from the wings in a near trance state, get on the podium and then start and the orchestra came up with the most beautiful sounds. I think it would be difficult to best him.

Glenn
Posted on: 25 February 2006 by Tam
Glenn,

The Giulini/Domingo recording is fantastic and well worth picking up. I suppose therein lies the problem - it's extremely unlikely I'll find a comparable recording in French with all the extras.

I don't know about Giulini's range being that limited, he was as at home with the likes of Mozart as he was with Verdi and with Britten (his War Requiem being an amazing recording).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 February 2006 by Todd A
I only know the Italian version, in Giulini's great recording, and on DVD with Luciano Pavarotti in Riccardo Muti's superb version. Perhaps the French version may be worth investigating; after all, Abbado is superb in Verdi.

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Posted on: 25 February 2006 by Tam
Todd,

If you're a fan of the Italian version, I would think it is certainly worth investigating the French, and the other Abbado Verdi that I know (the Requiem) is superb. Someone, though, the Don Carlos seems to lack something - I want to hold off on my full comments until I've had a chance to listen to the 'full' original version I've made up by editing the appendixes in.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 26 February 2006 by Tam
Well, after some more extensive listening, I have finally put my finger on just what it was about the recording that was troubling me (aside from one or two odd balance issues). It's in French, but the fact is that most of the singers are Italian (as is the chorus) and, as such we end up with French sung by voices that seem to want to be singing Italian which what seems to me to account for the slight oddities of sound.

Of course, this is presumably easily cured by going for Pappano whose recording comes from Paris. But, I fear that will not be enough for me: in the first place his cast is never going to touch the fine one Giulini has, and the recording lacks certain key scenes which were my main motivation for buying the Abbado. I think if you just wanted to hear Don Carlos in French there might well be a strong argument for getting the Pappano - but that wasn't entirely what I was after. I was looking to recreate a particularly fine (and complete) performance - always something of a futile endeavour.

That said, I would still be most interested to hear the views of anyone who's actually heard the Pappano, and I don't rule out picking it up. I wouldn't altogether discourage people from buying the Abbado version either: it is the only way on disc to hear a number of scenes (including for me, the wonderful original opening). However, to an extent, if you don't know what you're missing, you're probably better off in ignorant bliss with Giulini. Abbado is probably one for diehards only.

I would place one caveat on that: Domingo's singing is superb and suffers much less from the problems I've outlined above. Indeed, one could argue that this is better than his earlier account. Abbado's conducting is also very fine in places, as is the playing of the La Scala orchestra - and yet, I can't help having the thought in the back of my mind the Giulini is finer......

regards, Tam
Posted on: 24 March 2006 by Tam
For what it's worth (and given the quality of recent editions, the answer may well be 'very little'), the 'Building a Library' segment of this Saturday's CD Review is doing Don Carlos, so I'll be interested to hear what they say. Tune your wirelesses to Radio 3 at about half-nine.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 March 2006 by graham55
Don Carlos is not an opera that I know and, having heard the extracts on CD Review, I shan't be rushing to make its acquaintance. It seems that Verdi was pressurised into writing something of greater length than he was comfortable with, and I thought that this showed. Just compare the miraculous 'rightness' of La Traviata or Falstaff.

But at least the reviewer was on form after some of the recent travesties perpetrated on the programme.

I may cue up Karajan's 1950s recording of Falstaff tomorrow and, to borrow thoughts from another thread, if you want to hear Herbie's greatness as a conductor, where would be a better place to start than that?

Graham
Posted on: 25 March 2006 by Tam
Graham,

The CD review slot was pretty poor (ending with, almost, 'I recommend all of them' - he didn't really seem to have been blown away by any). However, if you are not acquainted with the Guilini account, I do urge you to pick it up, I do not think you will regret it.

For what it's worth, in the end they picked Pappano (and they pointed my in the direction of two recordings in French of which I was not previously aware). However, it would seem that I must still wait for that 'perfect', for me, at any rate, set that is in French (absolutely complete) with singers who can manage the French better than Abbado's lot but conducted at well as Guilini (something of a pipe dream, I suspect).

regards, Tam